browned out
Well-Known Member
Read the part time medical thread and someone please give me some answers. Looks like drastic cuts in part time medical
Mystakilla
Who the *$#@ cares.
Ofcourse they have to make cutbacks if they are going to payout 6-8 billion for a buyout of a pension, but dont let them fool ya! They have their money well invested in the united way!! 
ogrelord
Ground Down
Ofcourse they have to make cutbacks if they are going to payout 6-8 billion for a buyout of a pension, but dont let them fool ya! They have their money well invested in the united way!!
United way haha, UPS gives 15 cents on every dollar that we give. i thought they at least matched..
I'm voting NO, gotta do something for the new hires. 8.50 is a crumbs, and no health bennies is a joke.
Would you recomend your friends to work at UPS if this contract goes threw?
TheVoice
United Prole. Socialist
You know, this is a interesting issue…just the other day I was having a “discussion” with a lead about why I was choosing not to donate this year. As union members we have to look at it from this standpoint, and I admit, it might seem a bit jaded or lacking in the true sense of the meaning of generosity, but in the end, I needed to make my point.
Entertain this notion: There is little doubt that donations to charitable causes are a good thing, compassion for humanity should not be looked at as means to a personal end, if not for the soul purpose of the satisfaction of giving alone. Or, as if to say, okay, but what do I get out of it?
But, there in lay the issue. Here we are, Union members, contributing our hard earned dollars out of a general sense of, if nothing else, the spirit of giving…being able to say, hey, I did something, I gave.
The problem I have is this. In the end, generosity aside, there is a certain…PR bonus that is gained in the favor of UPS, and you may say, okay, so, that’s a good thing, and I am not saying its not…but look at it deeper. What is happening is that the Company is the one that is illuminated as the benefactor of said generosity. This is a generosity that is made possible by countless union members donations, millions of dollars over the years. We are paying for their PR.
My point is this, if we were ever to have a strike in the future, or any concerns related to contractual issues (between the company & the union), that there is a certain amount of public opinion that has an affect on the outcome. Two scenarios have very real affects on such outcomes: Either the public sympathizes with us (union), or they sympathize with the Company.
Certainly a public made aware of the “companies” generous contributions might be made biased to sympathize with them…saying to themselves, look at how generous this company is to such charitable causes. And it’s exactly for this reason that the donations are made under the banner of UPS, its public relations.
I just think that they should also put the Teamster logo on that check.
Then we would have these charities rallying behind us when things go wrong, rather than backing the company.
And of course the companies standpoint would be, well, wait a minute, its not about who donates the money, its about the donation that counts…and my answer is, okay, than take UPS’s name of the donation header, and put Teamsters logo on there (cause most of its coming from us anyway, one way or another).
Which brings up another interesting point, why aren’t we, as union members, as a local, as an International, getting out into the public and giving back to this degree on our own. We could benefit in the long run from such things. Volunteerism, and charitable donations, are key in shedding Organized labor in a light that is beneficial to our future.
Not to mention, it just makes you feel good. So the next time you do charity work, wear your union shirt, let people know that we are union, we care, and that we are them.
The Voice
tieguy
Banned
Terrific rhetoric my friend a fine , fine speech unfortunately its just that a speech. You have nothing to back it up with. Go through the contract offer and look at it line by line. Most of the changes are clearly there because your folks asked for them. Stop selling yourself short by reading only the TDU misinformation page. Read the contract and go to your locals contract review. Have the gonads to stand up and look your BA in the eye and tell him he sold you out. Then tell us how it went.
I think it's funny that a suit is preaching to all us sheeple. Fortunately we are not the ones sent to brainwashing classes. It is the management that must compromise their values to be a success at UPS. I see it all too often. The nice, church going guy goes into management only to become what he hated the most, a dishonest, greedy low life.
It is in the company's best interest to settle before the first of the year. Before the new law changes take effect. I went through the strike in 97. It was a humbling experience, however, a needed one. If corporate greed is allowed to flourish it will hurt the average american.
Personally if they addressed the starting wage, by at least the same amount each year that they are giving everyone else. I would be more inclined to vote yes. As it sits I can't sell out the future to have a few extra buck in my pocket.
Vote NO. Send them back for a fair deal.
It is in the company's best interest to settle before the first of the year. Before the new law changes take effect. I went through the strike in 97. It was a humbling experience, however, a needed one. If corporate greed is allowed to flourish it will hurt the average american.
Personally if they addressed the starting wage, by at least the same amount each year that they are giving everyone else. I would be more inclined to vote yes. As it sits I can't sell out the future to have a few extra buck in my pocket.
Vote NO. Send them back for a fair deal.
Braveheart
Well-Known Member
My sups are boasting about how they will own us if this thing passes?!?!?!?!
VOTE NO or bend over! The choice is yours? Choose wisely, for it may be your last!
tieguy
Banned
I think you have the guts and the consistent conviction to stand up for your principles. Many of these johnny come lately posters here do not and do not understand the first thing about it. They post heresey gathered from one source and don't do their homework. The amount of blatant misinformation on this site is rediculous.
Fredless
APWA Hater
tieguy
Banned
While you go to church and then have relations with the pastors sheep? You actually believe the BS you posted? If you did then you have a bigger issue with brainwashing then I ever will.
team player
Active Member
lilky Currently part-timers recieve health care after 30 days and dental after 6 mts. With this new T/A they will have to wait 1 year to recieve any benefits. I did not read anything about a vacation take away.
govols019
You smell that?
Maybe that's why my BA got someone else to call me the other day when he needed something. I wouldn't want to talk to me either.
tieguy
Banned
Tieguy, is that your attempt at an insult?1 Maybe you should Google sheeple and quit being so full of yourself. A tie doesn't make the man. It's the shoes and my size fourteen fit nicely in your arse.
So now your having fantasys about my arse.
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