Fed Ex guy stopping flag burners

[Holydriver]

guy for fedex gets video taped stopping a bunch of snow flakes burning the flag. he takes flag, then returns and sprays said snowflakes with a fire extinguisher. fedex reviews tape, posts statement saying the guy will remain as an employee of fedex. they ultimately said they agree with his actions.

now, to the question. how quickly would UPS have fired him in an effort to save face?

 

[km3]

Depends on what kind of publicity the company gets out of it. If none at all, fired for stealing time. If bad, fired for stealing time. If borderline, fired for stealing time. If good, maybe he'll still have a job to wake up to every morning.

 

[Indecisi0n]

Depends on what kind of publicity the company gets out of it. If none at all, fired for stealing time. If bad, fired for stealing time. If borderline, fired for stealing time. If good, maybe he'll still have a job to wake up to every morning.

But if he(UPS driver) did keep his job they will remind him every day how they "saved" him and he now owes them.

 

[km3]

But if he(UPS driver) did keep his job they will remind him every day how they "saved" him and he now owes them.

He might just be better off getting canned...

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

guy for fedex gets video taped stopping a bunch of snow flakes burning the flag. he takes flag, then returns and sprays said snowflakes with a fire extinguisher. fedex reviews tape, posts statement saying the guy will remain as an employee of fedex. they ultimately said they agree with his actions.

now, to the question. how quickly would UPS have fired him in an effort to save face?

If he worked for UPS, his management team would have taken him out of service immediately pending a complete investigation of the situation, which would have led to his termination.

 

[MendozaJ]

It is not against the law to burn the flag. What I see is assault and robbery.

I get more annoyed at the patriots that can't bother to bring their flag in when it's raining.

 

[Indecisi0n]

It is not against the law to burn the flag. What I see is assault and robbery.

I get more annoyed at the patriots that can't bother to bring their flag in when it's raining.

I see a driver who saw a fire and acted swiftly by trying to put it out.


BTW
It is against the law to start a public fire without the propers permits.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

 

[trickpony1]

I get more annoyed at the patriots that can't bother to bring their flag in when it's raining.

Really?

Where did you pull that out of?

Please cite the statute that requires that.

 

[oldngray]

Really?

Where did you pull that out of?

Please cite the statute that requires that.

Not even flag etiquette. You should use an all weather flag though.

 

[Indecisi0n]

From a flag forum (yes they exists).


I think when the Flag Code uses the term, "inclement weather", it means weather that is severe enough to cause HARM to the Flag. And in that case, it just might be a case of what someone's "opinion" of exactly what "inclement weather" is.

I don't think a "little" (or even a "lot") rain would cause your Flag all that much harm, do you?

When I think of "inclement weather", I'm thinking hurricanes, tornados, ice storms, heavy snow (and a lot of it!), sleet, freezing rain, high winds, etc. You know, the type of weather that is "bad" enough that it is MORE than likely to "harm" a Flag.

 

[Jkloc420]

ups would of fired him for stealing time, an accident, or not using safety properly. ups don't care, everything is or was your fault 100 percent. the question isn't if ups would fire you, it is would the union fight for you.

 

[MendozaJ]

Really?

Where did you pull that out of?

Please cite the statute that requires that.

Listen. I'm not talking about memorials and sporting events and the like. Bring your 3X5 flag indoors when it's raining and don't leave it out all night. I see Fort Leavenworth on your patch, but you don't even have an inkling as to what I'm referring to?

 

[trickpony1]

The flag can be left out all night if it is lit.

Most flags are weather resistant.

I admire your concern but you don't seem too worried about a flag being desecrated by fire in clear contradiction to flag code.

I bring my flag(s) in at night and also if the weather could be damaging and, yes, I have an inkling.

 

[Johney]

BTW
It is against the law to start a public fire without the propers permits.

I believe two of the douchbags were arrested for those exact charges.

 

[HEFFERNAN]

From the video, the FedEx ground guy was pretty damn aggressive with the "snowflakes".
Potential bad press made FedEx's decision, not the driver's actions.
If I was driving by, I would be pissed at these A-HOLES, but I would not get involved with my uniform on.


MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION

The driver is not a FedEx employee but an independent contractor by an independent franchisee !!!
FedEx has fought their way to make sure these drivers are not "employees".
If the contractor fired this guy, could FedEx force him/her to rehire because of bad publicity ????
If he's not an "employee", then how does FedEx have any say into his firing/rehiring ??

 

[Johney]

From the video, the FedEx ground guy was pretty damn aggressive with the "snowflakes".
Potential bad press made FedEx's decision, not the driver's actions.
If I was driving by, I would be at these A-HOLES, but I would not get involved with my uniform on.


MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION

The driver is not a FedEx employee but an independent contractor by an independent franchisee !!!
FedEx has fought their way to make sure these drivers are not "employees".
If the contractor fired this guy, could FedEx force him/her to rehire because of bad publicity ????
If he's not an "employee", then how does FedEx have any say into his firing/rehiring ??

He was driving an Express truck. Aren't those guys "employees" of FedEx?

 

[HEFFERNAN]

He was driving an Express truck. Aren't those guys "employees" of FedEx?

Just rewatched video, didn't see the express truck. You are correct.
But if he happened to be a Ground driver, is the question relevant ?

 

[Brown Down]

He was express so yes he was an employee and not a contractor. And front the looks of things he is keeping his job

 

[MendozaJ]

The flag can be left out all night if it is lit.

Most flags are weather resistant.

I admire your concern but you don't seem too worried about a flag being desecrated by fire in clear contradiction to flag code.

I bring my flag(s) in at night and also if the weather could be damaging and, yes, I have an inkling.

Sure, flag burning is extreme, but it's protected by the Constitution.

I see poor flag etiquette everyday, but I don't go yanking them off of people's porches.