What Should The West Do?

vantexan

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Well that’s begging the question…you don’t know that that’s true. Everything you see is through the prism of a media that lies so pathologically you have to question whether they ever tell the truth. In this case, Washingtons underhanded dealings in Ukraine are being exposed so its circle the wagons to deflect from that. They also said trump put kids in cages… doesn’t make it true

And I hasten to remind myself you that our country sanctions the killing of children in the form of planned parenthood and roe v wade which has been in place for 50 years almost. In fact, literally every piece of hysteria I’ve heard about Putin, our own government is engaged in. The mainstream media is like Pravda and Izvestia from the USSR. No wonder they have Russia on the brain
If you're going to look at everything like that then how do you know babies are being aborted? Someone told you so? Have there really been 60 million+ abortions? How do you know? I'm not pro-abortion, hate it. Just illustrating how we can take things to extremes. There isn't some media collusion thing going on about Ukraine. Millions of Ukrainians have fled the country as the Russians have and are targeting civilians. Those are very real explosions and their aftermath being shown on tv, not some staged events trying to sway public sentiment. For whatever reason you've chosen a side and refuse to believe they're committing atrocities. And believe you've got it right and everyone else is wrong. We certainly have a media that colludes to favor one candidate over another. But they aren't all powerful and can't hide the truth from everyone. The truth gets out eventually and not all media outlets participate in trying to influence us a certain way. It's easy to write them all off but you're only hurting yourself.
 
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vantexan

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Just an unfortunate coincidence right. Boy are you gullible
You spout off constantly with no demonstrated knowledge other than your opinion. Must be a real burden for you to know what's really going on above all others. Anything I post comes from reading multiple sources and have been doing so for decades. Might draw the wrong conclusion at times but am willing to learn. You on the other hand have a firm grasp on the truth because your comic book told you so. Those illustrations really help huh?
 
If you're going to look at everything like that then how do you know babies are being aborted? Someone told you so? Have there really been 60 million+ abortions? How do you know? I'm not pro-abortion, hate it. Just illustrating how we can take things to extremes. There isn't some media collusion thing going on about Ukraine. Millions of Ukrainians have fled the country as the Russians have and are targeting civilians. Those are very real explosions and their aftermath being shown on tv, not some staged events trying to sway public sentiment. For whatever reason you've chosen a side and refuse to believe they're committing atrocities. And believe you've got it right and everyone else is wrong. We certainly have a media that colludes to favor one candidate over another. But they aren't all powerful and can't hide the truth from everyone. The truth gets out eventually and not all media outlets participate in trying to influence us a certain way. It's easy to write them all off but you're only hurting yourself.
Why would they lie about that it’s something they’re very proud of the right to kill the unborn. All I’m doing is using intelligence guided by past experience the media lies about every crisis. It’s not one or two mistakes anymore
 

vantexan

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Why would they lie about that it’s something they’re very proud of the right to kill the unborn
How do you know? Have you seen with your own eyes 60 million babies aborted? You can't be everywhere seeing everything but you want us to believe the media can't be trusted at all. YOU know what's really going on without being in Ukraine. It's not the Russians, it's the media! Well there you go!
 
How do you know? Have you seen with your own eyes 60 million babies aborted? You can't be everywhere seeing everything but you want us to believe the media can't be trusted at all. YOU know what's really going on without being in Ukraine. It's not the Russians, it's the media! Well there you go!
Yeah you’re right it’s probably a lot more than they’d ever admit. We can debate the numbers but the fact is state sanctioned murder for hire is legal and encouraged in this society that’s the point. For several generations we told women it’s your right and your choice to murder
 
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olroadbeech

Happy Verified UPSer
We targeted military installations to begin with. When it turned into an insurgency we had street battles with combatants. We didn't target civilian housing beyond those being used to attack us. And the locals eventually turned to us because they were being terrorized by Al-Qaeda. There was no fleeing by the masses due to attacking civilians by U.S. forces. The only mass exodus out of Iraq was by the Christian community which the Muslims had set upon and were killing.
unbelievable. there were hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilian deaths due to US bombing.

I'm done.
 
unbelievable. there were hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilian deaths due to US bombing.

I'm done.
Because that was the same lies as this phony baloney crap is today just a different page out of the same playbook fear and control. And you’re always gonna be able to scare some people and they’ll say sieg heil to whatever they’re told we just saw this with c19 panic for two years
 

vantexan

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unbelievable. there were hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilian deaths due to US bombing.

I'm done.
There's an estimated 183,000 to 207,000 civilian deaths from all sources from 2003 to 2019. That includes U.S. bombings, military actions, as well as insurgent actions. It got so bad with al-Qaeda hurting locals that local leaders switched sides to the U.S. which was instrumental in our winning. I've maintained from the start that civilians get killed in war zones. The difference is the U.S. did not directly target civilians as the Russians have. There was never a refugee crisis out of Iraq as is happening in Ukraine.
 

vantexan

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Yeah you’re right it’s probably a lot more than they’d ever admit. We can debate the numbers but the fact is state sanctioned murder for hire is legal and encouraged in this society that’s the point. For several generations we told women it’s your right and your choice to murder
I agree but we were talking about whether what's going on in Ukraine is actually happening or not. I doubt seriously that millions have fled because the media has them convinced that Putin is trying to kill them.
 

Lineandinitial

Legio patria nostra
I agree but we were talking about whether what's going on in Ukraine is actually happening or not. I doubt seriously that millions have fled because the media has them convinced that Putin is trying to kill them.
I don't believe a :censored2:ing thing that the "news" media is putting out.

Pathetic Joe Biden is weak and stupid and his personal attacks on Putin just :censored2:s things up that much more. The Uke's are being portrayed as victims fleeing for their lives (this I believe) and fierce fighters that are completely :censored2:ing up the Russian forces (this is probably mostly BS).

I should start printing up blue and gold "I STAND WITH UKRAINE" paraphernalia and make a small fortune off the equally pathetic liberals that actually think that what the MSM is telling them is accurate.... LOFL
 
I agree but we were talking about whether what's going on in Ukraine is actually happening or not. I doubt seriously that millions have fled because the media has them convinced that Putin is trying to kill them.
Well then it’s the boy who cried wolf too many times. I’m not paying attention to any more of their mass hysteria. Especially when we’re at the point of jailing and even killing political opponents right here in the good ol US of A like we saw after Jan 6 whereas other riots for left wing causes were excused or celebrated. Whatever is happening over there it’s the cause of a stolen presidency and other weak cuckold leaders in Europe
 
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II doubt seriously that millions have fled because the media has them convinced that Putin is trying to kill them.
Did you ever consider that it might be their own rotten stinking corrupt government that’s making this all happen not Russia ?

Frankly unless you were over there personally I would believe none of what you hear and half of what you see if that
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
I don't believe a :censored2:ing thing that the "news" media is putting out.

Pathetic Joe Biden is weak and stupid and his personal attacks on Putin just :censored2:s things up that much more. The Uke's are being portrayed as victims fleeing for their lives (this I believe) and fierce fighters that are completely :censored2:ing up the Russian forces (this is probably mostly BS).

I should start printing up blue and gold "I STAND WITH UKRAINE" paraphernalia and make a small fortune off the equally pathetic liberals that actually think that what the MSM is telling them is accurate.... LOFL
It's your right to refuse to believe anything that you haven't personally experienced. I doubt the Ukrainians care about all the doubting Thomas's out there. They're just trying to get through this.
 
It's your right to refuse to believe anything that you haven't personally experienced. I doubt the Ukrainians care about all the doubting Thomas's out there. They're just trying to get through this.
All due respect but you’re exactly the kind of emotional drone that the media in this country depends on. Swallow everything they say whole

That’s why we had millions of people wearing glorified rags or paper over their faces for two years and still doing it thinking it’ll protect them from a microscopic airborne illness. Almost nobody thought to question such an absurd premise
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
The military industrial complex needs a good war every now & then.
These wars are the place to see how their weapon systems actually work in a real life setting.
Data collected will be used to enhance the current & future use of their tools.
 
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