What to expect at the negotiation table

[rocket man]

I expect UPS to ask for a longer progression, 4-5 years, and possibly a two-tier pay scale for new hires(FT Drivers). They will probably offer a large signing bonus 5-10K to bribe current drivers. Part-timers will continue to receive what they usually get, not much of anything.

If a two-tier pkg driver system passes you can count your days because they will be numbered. Harassment and terminations will go through the roof. You will be lucky to limp into retirement. No sense in paying a driver $33+ when UPS can pay a rookie $15-$20 for 5 years and have him max out @ $25.

All just speculation at this point. I look for some rumors to start soon and talk of a new contract finished early like the last one.

A 5k to 10k bounus ? in your dreams, how much of a bounus do they get when there terminated or dont make 30 days is the union gonna back them our other drivers gonna back them keep dreaming ups dose not give a bounus to start. if they were smart they would start a school and charge 2 to 3 thousand dollars and that way when and if the driver starts some of the uniforms and paper work is covered.

 

[old brown shoe]

I think any driver that has a helper on their truck should make a higher wage. It is a lot more work mentally and also you are responsible for another person all day. If you don't have a good helper it can be like babysitting and if you get a good one trained it seems like the next day you have a new one and start from scratch.

 

[menotyou]

You did say it is your opinion and you are entitled to that. UpState responded very well with a logical response.

I understand your point of view and desire but UPS is a business and what you suggest is not a viable business decision.

UPS would suspend all guarantees or even refused customer's packages before they would do what you suggest.

It sounded selfish to me. Why would he want a temp loader and allow a proader the unique opportunity to go on road and perhaps actually see the route he might be loading. It would allow him to be a better loader. But making sure Nancy has an outside loader is so much more important, I realize.

 

[RedThunder]

A 5k to 10k bounus ? in your dreams, how much of a bounus do they get when there terminated or dont make 30 days is the union gonna back them our other drivers gonna back them keep dreaming ups dose not give a bounus to start. if they were smart they would start a school and charge 2 to 3 thousand dollars and that way when and if the driver starts some of the uniforms and paper work is covered.

Reading Comprehension. No one said anything about a bonus for new hires. A bonus would be for current drivers, to entice them to sellout future drivers. I wouldn't vote for it and I hope no one else would either. However, I can see UPS trying anything they can to create a two-tier wage system. By the way a bonus of this size was offered in early negotiations one year along with paltry raises of .10 to .25 per year.

Now as for your incoherent rambling, please learn to reply to a post in a way that doesn't require someone to be a Navaho Code Talker to understand. Every reply I've seen from you is some blustery, condescending nonsense. You seem to live to point out some minor flaw in a post, or flame a new poster for asking a simple question. Grow up.

 

[hypocrisy]

It's Navajo, although some are certainly NavaHO's.

 

[Brownslave688]

There is zero chance I will vote on a two tier pay scale. I still have 25 years to retirement and you can bet they would do everything they could to fire me before those 25 are up. I wouldn't take a $50,000 bonus. Not to mention the company is making 1 billion dollars PROFIT every quarter. This should be an interesting contract though. I wonder how the union will try to sell us on the great deal we are getting.

 

[FAVREFAN]

I would expect discussion over health care/health care premiums and the existance of 22.3 jobs at the negotiation table. The company wants rid of 22.3 jobs and they want us to start paying a health care premium. Which one will Hoffa serve up on a platter to them? As usual, wages and pensions will be a major issue. Long way to go 'till 08/01/2013. The economy is recovering very slowly but beginning to gain traction. An early deal would screw us. Let the economy gain more traction, let the company numbers start to do very, very well and we will have more power at the table. JMHO.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

A two-tiered wage structure makes economic sense and is the growing trend in business. I do believe that this will be at least discussed and a signing bonus will be offered if it makes it in to the contract proposal.

I would vote "yes" for a two-tiered wage system to ensure the long term economic stability of the company.

 

[hembone]

UPS wants a two-tiered wage and they will throw a bonus at the current employees to get it. I'm not saying it's right or wrong but that is what will happen. I remember 82.

 

[hembone]

A two-tiered wage structure makes economic sense and is the growing trend in business. I do believe that this will be at least discussed and a signing bonus will be offered if it makes it in to the contract proposal.

I would vote "yes" for a two-tiered wage system to ensure the long term economic stability of the company.

I've got a feeling you are going to catch some heat.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

I've got a feeling you are going to catch some heat.

If I couldn't take the heat I wouldn't stay in the kitchen.

 

[Brownslave688]

A two-tiered wage structure makes economic sense and is the growing trend in business. I do believe that this will be at least discussed and a signing bonus will be offered if it makes it in to the contract proposal.

I would vote "yes" for a two-tiered wage system to ensure the long term economic stability of the company.

with all the rumors going around I've been asking myself for some time could anyone be dumb enough to vote yes on a two tier pay scale. Well thank you upstate I will waste no more time pondering this question.

 

[Jack4343]

I don't think I could ever go for a two-tiered wage system for two reasons. One, the heat will most definitely be turned up on all current drivers making top pay including me. We are already expected to be darn near perfect and I can't fathom how much harder it would get. Two, I just don't think I can screw the future drivers like that. Imagine someone working beside me working as hard as I do making $5-$10 less an hour than me with both of us at top pay in our respective tiers. I could definitely use the extra cash they'd throw at me to agree to it but I don't think I could accept it at any amount. Of course all of this contract talk is speculation and who knows what'll happen. The rumors are flying everywhere. I heard one yesterday that stated UPS wants to eliminate our benefits completely. Absurd to even believe that one at all.

 

[menotyou]

If I couldn't take the heat I wouldn't stay in the kitchen.

You never entered the kitchen. You were the kid at the window sticking his fingers in the cherry pie.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

You didn't sweat a drop in the hub just to have the carpet pulled from under you, mooch.

You never entered the kitchen. You were the kid at the window sticking his fingers in the cherry pie.

23 years of busting my ass hardly makes me a mooch.

We have had this off the street hire on many occasions. I have conceded that working on the inside would have given me a greater appreciation for what these kids go through but I also know for a fact that you don't have to know how to load them to deliver them.

I did not ask for any special consideration when I was hired; in fact, I was hired under the same contract that both of you work under. There must have been a reason for the inside/outside hiring ratio.

The UAW agreed to a two-tiered wage structure during their recent negotiations.

I haven't heard the rumor about the benefits and would be curious as to what would be offered in their place.

 

[804brown]

23 years of busting my ass hardly makes me a mooch.

We have had this off the street hire on many occasions. I have conceded that working on the inside would have given me a greater appreciation for what these kids go through but I also know for a fact that you don't have to know how to load them to deliver them.

I did not ask for any special consideration when I was hired; in fact, I was hired under the same contract that both of you work under. There must have been a reason for the inside/outside hiring ratio.

The UAW agreed to a two-tiered wage structure during their recent negotiations.

I haven't heard the rumor about the benefits and would be curious as to what would be offered in their place.

UAW did what they had to do because the car companies were in trouble. UPS however is and has always been a highly profitable company even in tough economic times. To me a two tier wage system would be a non starter. I would walk over that in a heart beat!!

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

UAW did what they had to do because the car companies were in trouble. UPS however is and has always been a highly profitable company even in tough economic times. To me a two tier wage system would be a non starter. I would walk over that in a heart beat!!

I am also not in favor of a two-tiered wage system but do understand the economics behind such a policy. I would think UPS would realize it would be a tough sell without some sort of signing bonus.

 

[Coldworld]

A two-tiered wage structure makes economic sense and is the growing trend in business. I do believe that this will be at least discussed and a signing bonus will be offered if it makes it in to the contract proposal.

I would vote "yes" for a two-tiered wage system to ensure the long term economic stability of the company.

UPS took a 5 dollar turkey away from you.....do you really think they are going to give you a signing bonus in the hundreds or thousands of dollars....I don't think so. No employee will ever receive a signing bonus...

 

[Coldworld]

You didn't sweat a drop in the hub just to have the carpet pulled from under you, mooch.

I dont have any problem hiring from the outside and upatate was just taking an opportunity . But what I do have a huge issue with waS the many years that the ratio was 1 for 1 or 2 for 1. And if the teasters wanted to change that back then it was probably easy to do. Maybe most of the pt folks back then didn't want to drive so the ratio wasn't a big deal. It should be 10 to 1 now.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

I dont have any problem hiring from the outside and upatate was just taking an opportunity . But what I do have a huge issue with waS the many years that the ratio was 1 for 1 or 2 for 1. And if the teasters wanted to change that back then it was probably easy to do. Maybe most of the pt folks back then didn't want to drive so the ratio wasn't a big deal. It should be 10 to 1 now.

I think it was either 2:1 or 3:1 when I was hired in 1989. I was one of three hired during a period of growth.