What would you like to see in the next contract?

[tourists24]

Even if the driver is an hour or more over?

Yes even if a driver is an hour over or more.... The time allowance is not accurate at all in a number of cases.... There is a remedy. It is their 3 day ride. If a driver is running an hour and a half over when a supervisor is doing a production ride then not another word should be said about overallowed anyway. Now if the driver all of a sudden runs only a half hour over, then it gets interesting.
Of course this is assuming the route is the same day to day and not manipulating the dispatch differently.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Yes even if a driver is an hour over or more.... The time allowance is not accurate at all in a number of cases.... There is a remedy. It is their 3 day ride. If a driver is running an hour and a half over when a supervisor is doing a production ride then not another word should be said about overallowed anyway. Now if the driver all of a sudden runs only a half hour over, then it gets interesting.
Of course this is assuming the route is the same day to day and not manipulating the dispatch differently.

All drivers,need to keep a note book!

 

[bleedinbrown58]

All drivers,need to keep a note book!

So should PTers....a smart guy told me that once.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

You must be in management to think that the companies time standards mean anything to a driver? Or you were in the office with the center manager when your steward told everyone that the Ouija board time standards mean nothing more than the paper their written on.

This is why the 9.5 grievances should be based on planned dispatch, not hours worked.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

This is why the 9.5 grievances should be based on planned dispatch, not hours worked.

If that were the case, UPS would just lower the numbers, so you could never file!

 

[Brownslave688]

This is why the 9.5 grievances should be based on planned dispatch, not hours worked.

Are you seriously not smart enough to see that the company would just tweak the numbers to where virtually no one would ever have a 9.5 plan?

I already see it on some routes already. 60 stops and 190 miles is a 8.1 plan. 90 stops 270 miles on the same route the next day is like a 9.4-9.6 planned day.

 

[Bottom rung]

This is why the 9.5 grievances should be based on planned dispatch, not hours worked.

Do you know how I know you're a under allowed driver? You sound like the spineless runners in my loop complaining that they get to much work when their and hour and a half under everyday. They say the same exact thing. You surely couldn't have ever been a coverage driver with that logic...or you just forgot where you came from.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Do you know how I know you're a under allowed driver? You sound like the spineless runners in my loop complaining that they get to much work when their and hour and a half under everyday. They say the same exact thing. You surely couldn't have ever been a coverage driver with that logic...or you just forgot where you came from.

I was a casual for the first 5 years or so of my career. I knew at least 10 routes, maybe more. I rarely, if ever, bitch about my dispatch, even with the occasional 10.5-11 hr planned day. Yes, I am normally at least an hour under every day, with a full lunch and break.

I still contend 9.5 should be based on planned day, not hours worked.

 

[32F driver]

A universal retirement age all across the board. Age 50

Oh man, if that were the case, there'd be light at the end of the tunnel. Of course, I have mixed emotions about that.

 

[kingOFchester]

I still contend 9.5 should be based on planned day, not hours worked.

You must be insane. Who decides time allowances? Who can change the time allowances? Who pays for over 9.5? Hint, the answer is the same for each question.

 

[Bottom rung]

Eve

I was a casual for the first 5 years or so of my career. I knew at least 10 routes, maybe more. I rarely, if ever, bitch about my dispatch, even with the occasional 10.5-11 hr planned day. Yes, I am normally at least an hour under every day, with a full lunch and break.

I still contend 9.5 should be based on planned day, not hours worked.

So, you work 9.5 everyday and you're an hour under...Do the job by the methods then file.

The company wont tell the union how they attain those "numbers" so why would the union recognize them? If they did go by those #'s the company would just change them like gumby said. Take your blinders off.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

This does not make economic sense.

Thought you put him on Ignore?...........hmm

 

[jumpman23]

Oh man, if that were the case, there'd be light at the end of the tunnel. Of course, I have mixed emotions about that.

They will never do it even if it makes sense. That's their agenda with new hires and anybody with 10 years or more left. Their going to do everything in their power to break you down so you cant make it to retirement. Its not a coincidence since we got the retro checks that the stop counts have skyrocketed. Within the next 5 years like I said it wouldn't surprise me if we go to a 60 hour work week like feeders. Guys already putting in 50 to 57 hours now, whats the big deal their probably thinking adding a few more hours and stops to that.

 

[jumpman23]

In a nutshell I had a driver supe tell me do what you gotta do to make it look good on paper. I was like no problem thank you for making me extra money to run my miles up and you look like a superstar to your bosses. He laughed and said you know how the game is played playa lol. Just have to be smart on how you get those extra miles. Which isn't hard to do when you have a different dispatch everyday of the week and are blown out with tires and irregs and bulk in a little SMURF 700 lol. That's the stupidity and mentality im trying to bring to light, they would rather pay you extra money and waste gas so they don't get chewed out by their bosses. Never ceases to amaze me how stupid and idiotic these bags really are.

 

[tourists24]

I was a casual for the first 5 years or so of my career. I knew at least 10 routes, maybe more. I rarely, if ever, bitch about my dispatch, even with the occasional 10.5-11 hr planned day. Yes, I am normally at least an hour under every day, with a full lunch and break.

I still contend 9.5 should be based on planned day, not hours worked.

How is "planned" dispatch a better judgement than on road performance? And what recourse would that leave a driver who cant run what company numbers say is just?

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

How is "planned" dispatch a better judgement than on road performance? And what recourse would that leave a driver who cant run what company numbers say is just?

Answer = not a dang on thing!

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

So, you work 9.5 everyday and you're an hour under...Do the job by the methods then file.....Take your blinders off.

No, I don't work 9.5 everyday; heck, I was so light on Friday I had to double-trip to dump my pickups just to make sure I had an 8 hour day.

I do the job by the methods----I just happen to be a very efficient driver who doesn't spend a whole lot of time BSing.

Don't worry, my eyes are wide open.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

How is "planned" dispatch a better judgement than on road performance? And what recourse would that leave a driver who cant run what company numbers say is just?

I would agree if the driver comes in less than an hour overallowed; however, when you have guys an hour or more overallowed, performance most certainly becomes an issue.

The recourse would be for the milkers to step it up.

 

[Bottom rung]

I would agree if the driver comes in less than an hour overallowed; however, when you have guys an hour or more overallowed, performance most certainly becomes an issue.

The recourse would be for the milkers to step it up.

allowances aren't the same route to route. You know this but you feel yours are good so who cares about everyone else right? Should a driver with thirty five years in be just as fast as a twenty two year old? Knees, shoulders and, back surgeries? You can't be serious. You must be management you're talking performance. Guys like you will be the downfall of the union at ups.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

I am 53 years old and the 3 cover drivers, who range in age from the low 30's to early 40's, who cover my run have a hard time keeping up.

No, the allowances are not the same, but they are not that far apart, either.

I know I could ride with an overallowed driver, easily shave 30-60 minutes off of their paid day and follow the methods.