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Lets examine your theory.
First, UNION BUSTING began with Ronald Reagan. His goal, and the goal of the republican party, was to weaken Labor Unions by outsourcing Union jobs. They couldnt kill unions by motivating workers to drop them, so they went after them financially.
By outsourcing union jobs, the union loss revenue and the first thing to be affected was union dues which is revenue for the union to organize and campaign. Attacking this money led the republicans to believe that they could weaken unions to the point of busting and to some extent it was successful.
When the republicans put together NAFTA under Reagan, then Bush1, the real goal was to allow our manufacturing sector to simply walk away from the USA and avoid both the unions and workers.
Take a look at some numbers...
Prior to Ronald Reagan, The Teamsters had 21 million dues paying workers, working in the United States. Today, there are less than 2 million working teamsters left and re organizing is slowly re building those numbers.
The UAW was the main goal of the Republicans and Reagan. They wanted to kill them first and they for the most part have. The auto industry was hit the hardest by right wing republican laws in each state, from right to work to wage caps.
Secondly, LOWER TAXES... YOU say, (because you heard it) that by lowering taxes, jobs will be brought back.
BUT, history tells us a different and DEFINED story.
Herbert Hoover (R) cut taxes for the rich and JOBS disappeared and the nation collapsed.
Ronald Reagan (R) cut taxes for the rich and JOBS disappeared and the nation collapsed.
GW BUSH (R) cut taxes for the rich and JOBS not only disappeared, but we lost over 55,000 factories to overseas countries, the housing market collapsed, wall street collapsed, the banking industry collapsed, and over 11,000,000 (eleven million ) JOBS were lost in 8 years.
So I ask you JKLOC420, where do you believe that by lowering taxes will create or bring back jobs when its never done so in the past?
What is it about history that you reject, when the only time in our history where taxes were cut for the rich, the country failed??
Please, explain how you think it will be different the fourth time around the same block?
TOS.
Jkloc420
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history tells us when jobs leave like auto jobs tgat r being built overseas and Mexico jobs suffer. second I wasn't a fan of Bush.reagen bailed the auto industry out if I recall l. third I'm talking corporate taxes on businesses which has worked in other countries. we have pretty much the highest corporate rate tax.
Jkloc420
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also ur assement of just republicans doing things is wrong also. Clinton signed NAFTA, which pretty much means the republicans and democrats r the same
Jkloc420
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also the nation didn't collapse under reagen in the 80's. under Bush it did, reagen no
Your history is incorrect. But that isnt a problem, let me help you adjust your sites.
Reagan only bailed out Chrysler, but 8 other domestic auto companies FAILED and went out of business during his term.
Lets look at some numbers..
First, prior to Reagan, the domestic auto sales made up a majority of auto sales year after year. Granted, the quality wasnt good and the cars fell apart quickly, but that was by design, as to employ mechanics and keep dealers in business with after sales income. (parts / service)
Reagan, pushed for the importation of foriegn cars into the USA, and we saw Honda, Toyota and Datsun enter the country. By the end of the Reagan administration, FOREIGN cars made up a majority of auto sales in this country and that KILLED some of our domestic auto makers.
Bush 1 Furthered the damage allowing more foriegn cars into the country, Mitsubishi, Suzuki,Mazda and that too killed the domestic auto industry and gave the Foreign car market the power to maintain an over 70% market share of auto sales in the USA.
Bill Clinton, came into office and IMMEDIATELY halted the importation of foreign cars into this country. He placed LIMITS on the numbers of each models that could be imported into this country, and he, working with the domestic auto industry made a deal with each side.
For the domestic auto makers, he forced them to UP their game, put out a better product, increase mileage per gallon and longevity of the vehicles themselves.
For the imports, he made it clear, if you want to sell your products in the USA, you have to MAKE THEM HERE, using american workers.
The small imported truck for example was killing our pickup truck market, so limiting them to below 150,000 units helped to revive the Domestic truck market during the clinton administration.
FYI, Infinity, Acura, Lexus are brand names of cars, BUT, you can only find these brand names in the USA, no where else in the world are these cars marketed. This was directly a product of the Clinton limitations.
Clinton would never allow foreign makers from japan to sell in the luxury market unless the cars were made in the USA and they couldnt carry the same BADGING of their japanese companies..
Infinity- Nissan / Acura- Honda / Lexus- Toyota are all made in the USA.
At the end of Clintons 8 years, the domestic auto sales were dominating all auto sales in the USA once again to levels unseen in our history.
Under GW Bush, he reversed that trend, lifting restrictions on the importation of cars and trucks and in 8 years, our auto industry was DECEMATED to the point where they almost ALL WENT OUT OF BUSINESS.
Foreign cars once again dominated the auto sales year after year during the GW BUSH YEARS and now, after 8 years of president OBAMA, our Domestic Auto is once again THRIVING.
President Obama has brought about domestic growth in our auto industry while raising taxes.
Under Reagan, cutting taxes killed the auto industry, Under Bush, cutting taxes killed the auto industry.
Under Clinton, raising taxes GREW the auto industry, Under Obama, raising taxes GREW the auto industry.
What you fail to understand about history is simple. GW BUSH cut taxes and there was ZERO growth, and we had NEGATIVE GDP until we entered into a RECESSION.
Reagans term saw deficits SKYROCKET to levels UNSEEN in American history at the time. By the end of Reagans 8 years, he racked up 3.7 TRILLION dollars in unpaid DEBT, a RECORD and at that time, was MORE than all the presidents combined going back to George Washington.
Wall street collapsed during Reagan, Job losses caused the unemployment rate to skyrocket to 10.7% under Reagan, the savings and loan industry of our banking sector collapsed under Reagan, the housing market saw record foreclosures under Reagan,and Reagan was FORCED to raise taxes on the middle class several times to pay for his record losses in revenue because of those tax cuts.
The reagan recession set this country back almost 7 years until bill clinton turned it around by raising taxes and stimulating the economy, the same as Obama has done.
The False stories of Reagans successes are that of republican myths.
TOS.
It doesnt mean that at all..
You say "clinton signed nafta"... By this , are you suggesting it was "HIS" idea? or are you suggesting that he went along with "whoever" created nafta?
The real problem with peoples understanding of NAFTA, is that they dont know who WROTE the law, and pushed for it or who SIGNED the NAFTA agreement into existence.
First, Clinton did sign the final version of NAFTA as it was presented to him, but only after some minor concessions by the REPUBLICANS WHO WROTE THE LAW.
Concessions like, the trucking industry. On our two borders, canadian and mexican trucks had to stop at our borders and turn over loads to our LTL trucking industry for final delivery in the USA. The original bill said that both canadian and mexican trucks could cross our borders and enter the USA to final delivery.
Clinton knew this would kill our trucking industry, and he fought for this change. The republicans gave him this change and for 8 years the LTL industry thrived. HOWEVER when GW BUSH came into office, he reversed that decision and allowed both countries to travel across our borders to final destinations THUS KILLING THE TRUCKING INDUSTRY over the 8 years of BUSH.
You really need to pay closer attention to detail JKloc420.
The LTL industry went out of business and large corporations like UPS bought up all the failing trucking companies.
Here is a photo of the president of the United States, the Canadian Prime minister, and the president of Mexico signing the NAFTA agreement for all three countries..
TELL ME WHERE YOU SEE BILL CLINTON.
Jkloc420
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two things here. one the unions back then we're not ran very good or in good shape period. second regen had Russia to deal with. 3rd I'm not a fan of Bush or clinton. bill clinton got lucky with the internet. 4th it isnt a myth because inflation was crazy high and unemployment was over ten percent. he grew the economy at or above a 3 percent clip. also let's not forget him and tip saved social security. reagen was a good president hands down. bush was not a good president.
Jkloc420
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my point about clinton is he could of veto tge deal but since he is in bed with the bushes he signed it.It doesnt mean that at all..
You say "clinton signed nafta"... By this , are you suggesting it was "HIS" idea? or are you suggesting that he went along with "whoever" created nafta?
The real problem with peoples understanding of NAFTA, is that they dont know who WROTE the law, and pushed for it or who SIGNED the NAFTA agreement into existence.
First, Clinton did sign the final version of NAFTA as it was presented to him, but only after some minor concessions by the REPUBLICANS WHO WROTE THE LAW.
Concessions like, the trucking industry. On our two borders, canadian and mexican trucks had to stop at our borders and turn over loads to our LTL trucking industry for final delivery in the USA. The original bill said that both canadian and mexican trucks could cross our borders and enter the USA to final delivery.
Clinton knew this would kill our trucking industry, and he fought for this change. The republicans gave him this change and for 8 years the LTL industry thrived. HOWEVER when GW BUSH came into office, he reversed that decision and allowed both countries to travel across our borders to final destinations THUS KILLING THE TRUCKING INDUSTRY over the 8 years of BUSH.
You really need to pay closer attention to detail JKloc420.
The LTL industry went out of business and large corporations like UPS bought up all the failing trucking companies.
Here is a photo of the president of the United States, the Canadian Prime minister, and the president of Mexico signing the NAFTA agreement for all three countries..
TELL ME WHERE YOU SEE BILL CLINTON.
Dude, you have only a few hours of hope left and then you are material for every joke I can possibly post without the moderators preventing them from appearing..
Dont hold your breath for a Trump victory.
TOS.
olroadbeech
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Again, history is NOT on your side.
First, Unions were very strong in 1981, so strong, they were bringing the country to its knees. Reagan and the republicans attacked all the labor unions in the country and the only real successful attack on unions was the air traffic controllers who Reagan fired when he interfered with a labor dispute.
Second, Reagan didnt DEAL with Russia, he photo opp'ed a speech on the berlin wall, but by that time, Russia was bleeding cash because of its war with Afghanistan because the USA was SPENDING billions secretly funding Usama Bin Laden and the mujahideen fighting the Russians.
The Russian economy was failing because of the over spending on that war and was on the verge of collapse while trying to continue military spending to match the USA spending. Russia killed itself with DEFICIT Spending, while REAGAN racked up RECORD DEBT but only caused a RECESSION and not a depression like Russia was experiencing.
Reagan gets credit for the fall of the soviet union, but the credit goes to Russia itself for not understanding that global military conflict is the strategy for self demise and not self assurance.
The USA needs to pay attention to global conflicts or we will suffer the same fate.
Third, Reagan and Tip didnt SAVE Social Security. The REAGAN plan to increase taxes on employees for social security was a SCAM and a giant THEFT of money. REAGAN, needing CASH because his tax cuts were crippling the GOVERNMENT, found another source of Fresh cash without raising INCOME TAXES. REAGAN STOLE BILLIONS from social security to pay for other government bills and the CASH taken from the new social security scam was NEVER REPLACED by Reagan. It was a GRAND THEFT.
The Reagan Legacy is a lie.. a myth and propaganda by the right wing despite the historical record of his administration. From being the MOST CORRUPT, to being the largest overspender, Reagan was one of the worst presidents in modern day history only surpassed by GW BUSH.
The Lies of the Ronald Reagan Legacy, page 1
Reagan and the truth about his "fixing social security".
Quote:
"Instead of being a proud day for America, April 20, 1983, has become a day of shame. The Social Security Amendments of 1983 laid the foundation for 30-years of federal embezzlement of Social Security money in order to use the money to pay for wars, tax cuts and other government programs. The payroll tax hike of 1983 generated a total of $2.7 trillion in surplus Social Security revenue. This surplus revenue was supposed to be saved and invested in marketable U.S. Treasury bonds that would be held in the trust fund until the baby boomers began to retire in about 2010. But not one dime of that money went to Social Security.""
Ronald Reagan and The Great Social Security Heist
Its all in the record JKLOC420.... the rest of what you have been hearing has all been nothing but BULLCRAP.
TOS.
He couldnt VETO the bill, the congress and senate, controlled by the republicans were pushing this bill for over 8 years and with total control of congress, they would have pushed to overide the veto which would have been a political embarrassment for Clinton.
Clinton, instead asked for concessions he could live with, recieved some and the bill was passed.
Clinton had NOTHING to do with the CONSTRUCTION or CREATION of NAFTA.
That had EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE REPUBLICANS GOING BACK TO REAGAN, but couldnt pass it, because the democrats controlled both houses during Reagan/Bush.
TOS.
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It appears the results are getting a bit tight . hope you got your meds handy
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