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Why is FZ, REALLY so angry ?
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UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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BigUnionGuy
Got the T-Shirt
When I started, it took 90 days to reach top rate as a part-timer.
And top rate.... was the same for all employees.
UPS was completely different.
All management people wore ties, every day.
The company use to let employees drink in the parking lot after work....
-Bug-
burrheadd
KING Of GIFS
When I started, it took 90 days to reach top rate as a part-timer.
And top rate.... was the same for all employees.
UPS was completely different.
All management people wore ties, every day.
The company use to let employees drink in the parking lot after work....
-Bug-
Cool story
But what does it have to do with 4 year progression
Seems as though your trying to deflect
Jmo
Hockeyparent
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The company makes more now than they ever have. Union Sells UPS teamsters down the river. All day long. Every contract. 4 year wage progression. I'm guessing next time the union will let them have 6 years.
BigUnionGuy
Got the T-Shirt
It is a cool story....
Because it's the truth.
I am glad you asked.
What is the attention span.... of a "new-hire" ?
5 minutes ?
Take their phone away. Watch what happens.
Wimps.
-Bug-
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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Two tiered is next.
Brown Spider
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Wow! The empathy you have for those who pay your salary is somewhat short of admirable. Sort of a throwback to the days of the Royal Teamsters,
BigUnionGuy
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ezmoney5150
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And they pay out more than they ever have. When they don't make more you're going to have more to worry about than that WNY pension.
If the union said no to the four years and you only got a 25 cent raise, you'd be the first one ranting an raving about this contract being a concession. You'd be screw them we don't negotiate for people who don't work here. I want a bigger raise.
Typical Meester.
Brown Spider
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I probably won't be doing that. Ya' see Bug, my response was not a compliment.
Can't believe you missed that. Maybe you were busy with those 2,000 members that you represent.
Bubblehead
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But I thought you said in other posts that H&H doesn't control what happens with the Central States Pension, the Board of Trustees does???
Yet somehow, when Ron Carey was President, he did have control???
Some things just don't add up when you post, making you look like the "wing nut".
Did Ron Carey raise the payout or was it the trustees? He sure as hell took the credit.
ezmoney5150
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He doesn't. He has influence because of the Union side of the trustees, but the final say is up to the Trustees. Ron Carey pushed for it. The only reason the Trustees (Company and Union) agreed was because of Tax liability. Which is stupid. Put the whole fund at risk because of an exise tax.
Bubblehead
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So, in other words....at the time....the fund was over-funded?
Without the benefit of 20 years of hindsight, is it not correct to assert that the Board Of Trustees, both Union and Company(not UPS, who were in-explicitly not represented), felt it was better to increase benefits rather than give the excess to the government in the form of an "excise tax"?
Meanwhile, for the past 17 years, H&H have sat on their hands in the face of real time data, because to do what would have been prudent would have been politically unpopular.
Sounds like the pot is calling the kettle black.
I call....
Bet you dollars to donuts that Carey suggested the increase juuuuuuuuuuust before his election. Probably early enough to advertise it in the teamster mag.So, in other words....at the time....the fund was over-funded?
Without the benefit of 20 years of hindsight, is it not correct to assert that the Board Of Trustees, both Union and Company(not UPS, who were in-explicitly not represented), felt it was better to increase benefits rather than give the excess to the government in the form of an "excise tax"?
Meanwhile, for the past 17 years, H&H have sat on their hands in the face of real time data, because to do what would have been prudent would have been politically unpopular.
Sounds like the pot is calling the kettle black.
I call....
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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So, in other words....at the time....the fund was over-funded?
Without the benefit of 20 years of hindsight, is it not correct to assert that the Board Of Trustees, both Union and Company(not UPS, who were in-explicitly not represented), felt it was better to increase benefits rather than give the excess to the government in the form of an "excise tax"?
Meanwhile, for the past 17 years, H&H have sat on their hands in the face of real time data, because to do what would have been prudent would have been politically unpopular.
Sounds like the pot is calling the kettle black.
I call....
This is exactly what happened with our Fund. We were at 107% funded and the decision was made to increase benefits rather than write a check to the government.
ezmoney5150
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Hello? Pot? Kettle is on line 2.
They should have been lobbying to get rid of the exise. But Carey didn't do that. Plus the and outs have nothing to do with exise and everything to do with votes and killing the fund.So, in other words....at the time....the fund was over-funded?
Without the benefit of 20 years of hindsight, is it not correct to assert that the Board Of Trustees, both Union and Company(not UPS, who were in-explicitly not represented), felt it was better to increase benefits rather than give the excess to the government in the form of an "excise tax"?
Meanwhile, for the past 17 years, H&H have sat on their hands in the face of real time data, because to do what would have been prudent would have been politically unpopular.
Sounds like the pot is calling the kettle black.
I call....
Hello? Pot? Kettle is on line 2.
Bubblehead
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They being the trustees, company and union?
How does that work?
What type of amendment or executive order would that entail?
Perhaps like what H&H and UPS did in late 2014 in regards to the Multi-Employer Pension Reform Act (leveraged by attaching it to the same Bill that contained the 2015 Federal Budget)?
What took them so long?
But, without your luxury of hindsight, it theoretically may have "balanced the budget" taking the "excise tax" out of the equation in the future?
We know better now, but at the the time they were dealing with a surplus and had no mobsters to loan it to.
Pot??? Kettle???
Bottom line is you can't validate two decades of neglect, allowing UPS and other major players to withdraw from the fund, by referencing the perceived shortcomings of a dead man.
Again, I call...
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ezmoney5150
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Under your theory, TDU has all of the answers. How do you not see with deregulation and companies going out of business that you can't up the pension and enact and outs. You dont need a crystal ball for that captain obvious. But the almighty Carey ignored it.They being the trustees, company and union?
How does that work?
What type of amendment or executive order would that entail?
Perhaps like what H&H and UPS did in late 2014 in regards to the Multi-Employer Pension Reform Act (leveraged by attaching it to the same Bill that contained the 2015 Federal Budget)?
What took them so long?
But, without your luxury of hindsight, it theoretically may have "balanced the budget" taking the "excise tax" out of the equation in the future?
We know better now, but at the the time they were dealing with a surplus and had no mobsters to loan it to.
Pot??? Kettle???
Bottom line is you can't validate two decades of neglect, allowing UPS and other major players to withdraw from the fund, by referencing the perceived shortcomings of a dead man.
Again, I call...
The zuck can do nothing but Monday morning quarterback.