2008 Contract Issues
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If you would have read and study the federal judge in Illionia district--decision when Central States trustees were deadlock on the contributions verses the paid-out to the members. You would have understood the pension plan had to be adjusted because of economic times 2000-2003. The problem is not management or union. It was economic down-turns that created a loss in the funds of Central States Pension. Also if would check Federal agents that supervisor Pension Plans. You would see many other Pension Plans had to reduce their monthly paid-outs.
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"UPS is getting wealthier while the union drivers' pension plan is in a death spiral," contends Herve Aitken, a labor attorney at Ford & Harrison in Washington, D.C., who represents the Multiemployer Pension Plan Alliance, a coalition of small employers.
By any measure, UPS has limited control over its multiemployer pension plans, which cover union workers from more than one company, often in related industries in a single region. Central States serves more than 4,500 companies in 22 states.
Membership decline, bankrupt companies, miss-management in the union, Greedy hands, corruption, High trustee pensions, High trustee salaries and Retirees out numbering new members, How can the pension survive with out raising contributions or cutting pensions. UPS wants out....
By any measure, UPS has limited control over its multiemployer pension plans, which cover union workers from more than one company, often in related industries in a single region. Central States serves more than 4,500 companies in 22 states.
Membership decline, bankrupt companies, miss-management in the union, Greedy hands, corruption, High trustee pensions, High trustee salaries and Retirees out numbering new members, How can the pension survive with out raising contributions or cutting pensions. UPS wants out....
From my limited understanding the IAM mechanics pension portfolio invested heavy with UPS stock. If they had alot of it before it went public you could well understand why it would be so healthy while most other retirement funds took a hit. It must be doing pretty well, correct me if I am wrong, but I have been told that it is up to over 350 dollars per service year for each of their retirees
From my limited understanding the IAM mechanics pension portfolio invested heavy with UPS stock. If they had alot of it before it went public you could well understand why it would be so healthy while most other retirement funds took a hit. It must be doing pretty well, correct me if I am wrong, but I have been told that it is up to over 350 dollars per service year for each of their retirees
I don't know about the 350 per service year but I have the quarterly report from one mechanic that he will get $10,000 plus a month at age 62 tha'ts a little more than what we get
tell me, how do you fiqure that the mechanics union held UPS stock before it went public? the only owners of UPS stock before it went public was management and employees, plus for a while the owners of the hardee's resturants who snookered upper management into using stock as collateral to buy several midwestern stores.
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Braveheart
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We get an hour and I need it just to make personal phone calls and to let my body cool down in the 90 to 100 degree heat. The back of my truck gets up to 115 degrees at times.
Braveheart
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I do not leave my door open. I was trained by a manager to leave it open in resi areas or between stops that only a few doors apart like 10 and 20 mile an hour areas. During peak I bet there are doors open everywhere. The point was that a termination on first offense is overkill! We had a guy waiting for a month to see medical specialist and the day before his Dr visit they said he had to come in an hour early for some safety meeting. He told them he could not make it and had to go see Dr. The NITPICKING managers wrote the guy up for being late to a safety meeting he said he could not make. Is he to cancel Dr appt and still be charged for it while waiting another month to see Dr when he could easily go to another safety meeting on another day.
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what's an air driver.... all driver's deliver air stops on the way to their route.
that's more bouns for mgmt if you don't run air drivers
Braveheart
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I never said I left the truck unattended. And I don't leave it open anymore either. You accidently sheet up a package wrong and you are treated like a criminal. The bulk head door was a bad example due to safety reasons but NDA Letters in cab is widely accepted, yet when a manager has a vendetta its warning letter, suspension, and termination. Our trucks fill up and the cab is where the airs go, especially at peak. Managers look the other way when it benefits them even though its a safety issue as well.who keeps their cargo door open while driving and or leaving their package car unattended?
Braveheart
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Good driving habits prevents hard breaking. If you drive with a full truck its crazy. I was talking about after airs, after bulk stops, after all your business stops were off and your truck was all but empty and you had only stuff on shelves with floor clean and all boxes pulled up close. But htose were the old days. My door is closed now. But there are times you are in a rush and excessive punishment is not the way to correct it. Nobody is perfect, least of all managers.
Heh. I just don't feel comfortable having the door open while driving and especially leaving the bulkhead doors wide open while I'm at a stop...especially at loading docks downtown.
Braveheart
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I am talking about when you are walking back and forth at a resi stop or in a controlled area where the truck is still in your view. I do not deliver in a downtown area and would agree with you. But the open while driving was like in a strip plaza from Radio Shack to the next place like a dentist doing like 10-15 miles an hour. I do not promote it but to terminate a guy for that is overkill. All of this is not about the door guys, it was a bad example sure. It is about the constant harassment and job threats over any one of a 1000 things a person could forget in a day. Lets deal with real issues and stop the nitpicking.
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It seems that all it comes down to is money (both drivers and company). Drivers do you realize that even without your overtime you are pulling in well over the national FAMILY income.
Some drivers I've had in my area have no problems with the route on time and even have extra time to help others. While others who have run the route for longer complain that there is too much on the route. How is a new guy gets the truck empty and has time to help other route but the veteran drivers have "too many stops in a day". Is that he is too ambitious?
The biggest advantage on your side is that your service can't be outsourced overseas like many have.
I know i don't have what it takes to do your job BUT I would think many displaced workers would do ot for less.
Signed: disgusted your are upset you have such a well paying job.
Some drivers I've had in my area have no problems with the route on time and even have extra time to help others. While others who have run the route for longer complain that there is too much on the route. How is a new guy gets the truck empty and has time to help other route but the veteran drivers have "too many stops in a day". Is that he is too ambitious?
The biggest advantage on your side is that your service can't be outsourced overseas like many have.
I know i don't have what it takes to do your job BUT I would think many displaced workers would do ot for less.
Signed: disgusted your are upset you have such a well paying job.
Braveheart
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Sure anyone who is out of work would do our job for less until they do it. So because the people, the corporations and the government have allowed jobs to go overseas, we that are left should work for less. Any time you wish to do our job please try it. You will find that the working conditions are hell. The physical manual labor, the heat with no A/C, the rain, the snow, the humidity, the mandatory overtime, the difficulty getting time off, dog bites, being told your faking a herniated disc or tendenitus, all the twisted ankles, pulled and torn muscles, strained knees, pinched nerves, and the lovely traffic jams and crazy drivers, the unrealistic break neck pace your expected to maintain all while delivery 300 boxes to 100 plus customers, and doing pick ups at 20 to 40 accounts with another 200 to 300 boxes. We have the worst worker's comp problem in the country. For every driver to make retirement there is another 5 who did not due to permanent knee, ankle, or back injuries. We are human forklifts. Is the fill in driver younger? Is the fill in driver trying to get into management? We older wornout drivers don't skip our lunch or sort our truck during it. We older drivers have seen all the permanently injured workers sent packing and unable to find work. Are we to work for less so the CEO can make more? I bet I can find someone to do your job for less too. Does not mean you should work for less. Is the doctor who complains about the lack of nurses, and conveyer belt patient qouta, and HMO BS, angry about his high paid job? Or is he or she just pissed off that corporate greed has taken importance over patient care. We as drivers are pissed that UPS has put production and profit over the customers needs and employee safety. Our raises by the way are well within the norm. The raises are pre-negoitiated in a contract and are between 3% and 4%. We do not get cash, holiday or stock bonuses of any kind. Managers do. We do not get 401K matching funds. Managers do. We are not allowed to do lite duty for off job illnesses or injuries but are forced to do lite duty for on job injuries. I have a driver who hurt his back and has been forced to do lite duty from day one with zero time off to heal, no MRI, no physical therepy yet now for over a month, and all the while he and the doctor hand picked by UPS are wondering why? We earn every penny of our pay.
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MRDC
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yes that is what you need the teamsters want the pension money and you will see very little if any when you retire and you want double and triple time pay while fedex is eating up ups with nonunion employees you had better hope you just get to keep your job as is for 8 more years
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Nightcrawler
I agree with that %100. I could do a much better job investing in my retirement than the thieving IBT.
