22.4 or RPC’s for T-S work?

[Brownslave688]

Exactly.

People angry about this contract just to be angry.

Probably because it's a terrible contract.

 

[Faceplanted]

Probably because it's a terrible contract.

As is every single contract I can remember. Who do we blame?

 

[Gimme Danger]

Why don’t you post it so I can rip you some more. Your hypocritical to think just because it’s certain times of the year it’s ok to have two tier feeder drivers. Hell 22.4’s get Full Time pension and progression credits too but you have chastised them while you put this Two tier Feeder position on a pedestal. Please don’t forget to put that a Part Timer with a class A would have right to feeder work over a Full Time package Driver with a class A.

All hours up to 40 hours per week receive pension and health & welfare in New England. Part time, full time, casual.
Feeder TCD would work a full week at a time to cover summer vacations and/or peak extra volume. Qualified TTQ in other classifications would have first chance to this work, then Feeder TCD then casuals.
Only full timers on TTQ would have opportunities to secure a feeder bid, the rest just cover.

A part timer that gets a class A license can drive feeder and goes to the bottom of the feeder progression wage or his inside rate which ever is higher.

So YOU tell me what is Feeder top rate and what is the difference beginning progression. The tell me why in the hell you give that work to a part timer instead of the Full Timer next in seniority.

See Two tier. Stop trying to polish a turd.

Casual feeder drivers are making $30/hr now. Feeder TCD wouldn't make less than casuals. The time counts towards their progression once they make full time in package or 22.3.

The part timers will be replacing outside casuals to cover vacations and peak. If a bid becomes available, it will absolutely go to a regular full timer. This is work that is going to our current work force. The part timer can eliminate progression, get level 1 medical and full time pension and work a guaranteed 40 hours a week.

Winner.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Sort of. OT is cheaper than straight time and the company will be paying benefits on all 10 hours of a 4x10 schedule.


If you work 4x10 now you get 8 hours of OT but only 32 hours of benefit contributions.

Not if you bid a 4X10 route. Overtime after 10

 

[panther]

My building isn’t. We won’t have 22.4s. And those covers you have won’t be 22.4s. So keep assuming things.

Hahaha brother every building will eventually have 22.4

 

[panther]

Of course it stands to reason that current package car drivers would be upset about working Saturdays. It was thrust on everyone without much warning. One of the few things for me personally that makes this job worth it is weekends off. But I would work Saturdays if it means keeping 22.4 out of the contract.


Going forward working Saturday will be less and less of an issue. New package car drivers will take the job knowing they have to work weekends until they gain enough seniority.

Exactly and what is wrong with that? When they get enough seniority they can bid to a monday-friday schedule. They're a rpcd with driver pay, 9.5 protection, and progression. I dont see whats wrong with that. My BA said he knows of a large center in our local who did this. I dont understand why we need a new breed of driver.

 

[Brownslave688]

Exactly and what is wrong with that? When they get enough seniority they can bid to a monday-friday schedule. They're a rpcd with driver pay, 9.5 protection, and progression. I dont see whats wrong with that. My BA said he knows of a large center in our local who did this. I dont understand why we need a new breed of driver.

We don't NEED it.

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

Great then you have no TCD's working because a PTCD is on layoff.

(A) Seniority part-time employees may work as coverage drivers. They may cover vacations in excess of those filled by full-time vacation coverage drivers and may fill absences in excess of those covered by full-time non-bid drivers. All TCD(s) will be offered package car driver (PCD) work prior to using seasonal package drivers. Additionally, during the peak season period, when a PCD(s) is absent, said route(s) will not be abolished and helper(s) utilization increased to avoid using a TCD(s) to cover said absence(s). No coverage drivers may be used if full-time employees are on layoff. Part-time coverage drivers may not be used to supplement the work force, only as temporary replacements.

TCD and PTCD are same thing, but I think you meant RPCD on layoff. Sure, that "fixes the problem" of misuse of TCD but now your boy is screwed and will only be making $11/hr until an RPCD spot opens, when he could be making more. It's everyone's fault, RPCD's don't say anything cuz they get more days and they're happy for the TCD making money. TCD doesn't wanna kill the golden goose so they don't say . Management gets another driver at a cut rate.

Look, I'm not saying that 22.4 is the answer or that I'm in favor of them, I'm just saying that the fact is that a two-tier driver setup has been running a long, long time in a lot of areas. It's really not new.

 

[Frankie's Friend]

Ok then let’s go back to RPCD’s working T-S but realize there is still gonna be a two tier driver (cover drivers) working at a lesser wage and pension rate with no 9.5 protection because that language has been in the contract since 1997. You can thank Ron Carey for that one.

No it wont. Stop lying.

 

[Frankie's Friend]

Exactly. A 22.4 would actually an upgrade to them because they would be getting Full Time pension Do you see all the different language and names all these two tier drivers are called across the country. A 22.4 makes it one universal full time position language.

Nope. Not here.

 

[Frankie's Friend]

Lol yeah this is the same problem I had in another thread. They want NEW RPCD jobs to be made, with new drivers, at full driver pay, with the T-S or W-S schedule, and they want the new drivers to run them to “pay their dues.” Hilariously, they then talk about how 22.4s are getting screwed.

These people don’t really know what they want. 22.4s make basically the same rate as a RPCD up until max pay, so while these new drivers are waiting on a RPCD job, they’ll be making about the same rate as they would be in RPCD progression. So, instead of a part-timer waiting for 3-4 extra years to get a RPCD job, they can get a full-time job that pays all of their bills so they can quit their other full-time job they have to keep, and their progression transfers as well.

And yes, they’ll take OT off of all of these drivers who are complaining about 11-13 hour days and filing over 9.5 and getting paid penalty pay. It will save the company a load of money, create full-time jobs, and placate the people who don’t want to work excessive OT or weekends.

The 22.4 makes sense.

No, dumb asterisk, it doesnt.

All you care about is saving the company a ton of money Dave.

 

[Brownslave688]

Nope. Not here.

This is a local supplement issue that needs addressed locally if they have a problem with it.

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

so Throw out the 22.4 concession and take a 4x10 concession

We’re ed either way.

Why would you say 4x10's would be a concession?

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Why would you say 4x10's would be a concession?

No overtime after 8

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

No overtime after 8

But only working 4 days...so OT after 10...still guaranteed 40 and prob OT still available for those who want it. Not a concession.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

But only working 4 days...so OT after 10...still guaranteed 40 and prob OT still available for those who want it. Not a concession.

Decades of hard fought contracts lost.
You guys kill me.
Do more for less and enjoy it

 

[zubenelgenubi]

People against 22.4 haven't changed their position throughout the whole argument. We have remained consistent regardless of how the pro 22.4 folks come at the problem. Yet, the people for 22.4 are telling us to "pick a side"!?

Also, they're ok screwing 22.4's with saturday work and less money, but we're the ones who are hypocrites because we're ok with rpcd's working Saturday.

 

[LagunaBrown]

No it wont. Stop lying.

We have had cover drives working year round since 1997. You are so clueless.

 

[LagunaBrown]

People against 22.4 haven't changed their position throughout the whole argument. We have remained consistent regardless of how the pro 22.4 folks come at the problem. Yet, the people for 22.4 are telling us to "pick a side"!?

Also, they're ok screwing 22.4's with saturday work and less money, but we're the ones who are hypocrites because we're ok with rpcd's working Saturday.
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if this was real you would have already lost to low voter turnout and all contracts passed.

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

Decades of hard fought contracts lost.
You guys kill me.
Do more for less and enjoy it

How is that more for less? Still 40 hours, still OT after daily minimum, extra day off every weekend. Nothing lost. Decades of contracts lost, don't give me that horse . Same amount work, more days off. Prob less OT in reality, less hours worked each week with a max of 54. Totally good with 3 or 4 day weekends every weekend. I'd be happy with zero OT if it turned into that.