Abortion

It will be fine

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And the spin begins. No answer.

Proof? Look out the window.
Look at the laws (facts) of you body and nature and universe.
You’re using circular logic. You believe the universe was created therefore there must be a creator. You believe it was designed so there must be a designer. These aren’t facts. That isn’t proof. They are beliefs.
 

BrownFlush

Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
That’s your opinion.

You seem to have a problem differentiating opinions vs. facts.
Jumped on that didn't you?

TheBrownFlush said: ↑
Let the first logical and rational great mind among us deny any of these basic facts and explain why any one of these four cannot be a fact.

Scientific Fact: Something cannot come from nothing.
Fact: Creation demands a Creator.
Fact: Design demands a Designer.
Fact: Every house has a builder.

Waiting.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
I forget the book, chapter, and verse of the passage in the Bible that refers to chariots of fire in the sky, but, and this might make you spit up your coffee so be careful, but truth is we don't know the true nature of God other than we are told we are made in his image and that he is both loving and at times angry.

That being said, the U.S. government is now acknowledging that they've known about UFO's for decades and have recently released amazing video recorded by fighter pilots. Video showing craft doing things that the G-force would kill a human. All through history there are recorded examples of observations of both craft in the sky and of individuals that weren't exactly men.

What if angels are beings in very advanced vehicles monitoring us? What if humans are the result of their guidance in design over a very long time? There are so many systems in our bodies with specific purposes that it's hard to believe it's not by design, just random mutations.

Not to put down religion, nor am I denying the existence of God. But what and who is God exactly? There are too many occurrences of unexplained phenomena to not acknowledge that our understanding is limited. And to be honest it throws open what is acceptable and unacceptable beyond our daily squabbles. Laugh and scoff if you like, but when the government, which has the most sophisticated technology in the world, admits there's something definitely there that they can't explain, with video proof, I'm beginning to believe that we not only aren't alone, but have never been. And their technology is much greater than ours.
Bump
 

BrownFlush

Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
You’re using circular logic. You believe the universe was created therefore there must be a creator. You believe it was designed so there must be a designer. These aren’t facts. That isn’t proof. They are beliefs.
You believe something can come from nothing?
You believe when you see a house that it did not have a builder?
LOLOLOL
You have issues.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
Jumped on that didn't you?

TheBrownFlush said: ↑
Let the first logical and rational great mind among us deny any of these basic facts and explain why any one of these four cannot be a fact.

Scientific Fact: Something cannot come from nothing.
Fact: Creation demands a Creator.
Fact: Design demands a Designer.
Fact: Every house has a builder.

Waiting.
Where did the creator come from?
 

BrownArmy

Well-Known Member
Jumped on that didn't you?

TheBrownFlush said: ↑
Let the first logical and rational great mind among us deny any of these basic facts and explain why any one of these four cannot be a fact.

Scientific Fact: Something cannot come from nothing.
Fact: Creation demands a Creator.
Fact: Design demands a Designer.
Fact: Every house has a builder.

Waiting.

You’re, once again, proposing opinions as facts.

This is why you and I will never get anywhere.

You’re convinced that your beliefs are facts.

That’s not how it works.

Cheers
 

BrownFlush

Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
Let the first logical and rational great mind among us deny any of these basic facts and explain why any one of these four cannot be a fact.

Scientific Fact: Something cannot come from nothing.
Fact: Creation demands a Creator.
Fact: Design demands a Designer.
Fact: Every house has a builder.

You’re, once again, proposing opinions as facts.

This is why you and I will never get anywhere.

You’re convinced that your beliefs are facts.

That’s not how it works.

Cheers

Still waiting.

These are FACTS that you HAVE to deny. These are not BELIEFS.
I'm gonna go with what is evident.. If you admit to these FACTS, then you must admit to GOD. You WON'T do that. LOL

Cheers .. Drink up in the land of denial.
 

Old Man Jingles

Rat out of a cage
"A man full of faith is simply one who has lost (or never had) the capacity for clear and realistic thought. He is not a mere ass; he is actually ill. Worse, he is incurable, for disappointment, being essentially an objective phenomenon, cannot permanently affect his subjective infirmity. His faith takes on the virulence of a chronic infection. What he usually says, in substance, is this: "Let us trust in God, who has always fooled us in the past."
If you say so, sorry your cult demands belief in god, but I can be a functional adult without that crutch. Too bad you can’t.
My condolences!
 

BrownArmy

Well-Known Member
Still waiting.

Ok, wait on.

I’ll keep waiting for your ‘proof’, which is really just your closely held belief.

I’ll keep waiting for your explanation as to how your opinions are actually facts.

I’ll keep waiting for your answer to the notion that geographical location at birth determines belief in religion.

I’ll wait.
 

BrownFlush

Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
Ok, wait on.

I’ll keep waiting for your ‘proof’, which is really just your closely held belief.

I’ll keep waiting for your explanation as to how your opinions are actually facts.

I’ll keep waiting for your answer to the notion that geographical location at birth determines belief in religion.

I’ll wait.
Crickets.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
You said something can't come from nothing. So at some point there was just God? And he decided at some point to create a vast universe and then somewhere along the way he decided to create a world that was perfectly situated for life. And after a long drawn out period with big lizards he decided to get rid of them with a big asteroid, paving the way for mankind. The vast majority of whom will someday end up tortured forever in a devil's hell? And knowing that they'll be tortured forever he still lets our population grow exponentially? Is there justice in that? Truth is we don't know the exact nature of God, how we ended up as we are, and have to take on faith that men didn't use our lack of knowledge to control us through religion, which men have been known to do.
 
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