advice from shop stewards..

[10 point]

I didn't say approve who they pick. I said that John, Paul, George and Ringo want to be on the safety committee. UPS did not pick them. The local then either approves or denies them.

Look, your local may do it that way. But most locals do not take the time to come to the local UPS, find out who wants to be on the safety committee, and then inform UPS that these employees are now on the safety committee.

UPS asks for volunteers to be on the safety committee. The local then either approves them or denies them.

You make it sound like every local has employees coming to the local wanting to be on the safety committee. There may be one or two that do it that way in the whole country.

IMO the stewards should submit the names to the local for approval.
The company has always picked their puppets to be on the committee and now the union can pick the members from those that show interest. With the reputation and actions of the past committees we've seen it would take a whole group of strong hourlies inducted on it to turn it around.

The company wants to keep total control of the criteria used and discussed but it's a Teamster/UPS Safety Committee not just a company run dictatorship.

Far too often the committee slides back to the way it was and that's when it's time to cease participation imo.

 

[Mugarolla]

IMO the stewards should submit the names to the local for approval.
The company has always picked their puppets to be on the committee and now the union can pick the members from those that show interest. With the reputation and actions of the past committees we've seen it would take a whole group of strong hourlies inducted on it to turn it around.

The company wants to keep total control of the criteria used and discussed but it's a Teamster/UPS Safety Committee not just a company run dictatorship.

Far too often the committee slides back to the way it was and that's when it's time to cease participation imo.

And this is typically how it works.

@5habits100 thinks that every local comes and interviews every employee in the building and then picks employees to be members of the safety committee.

 

[ezmoney5150]

In my local they removed anyone that violated the bylaws ie. Following drivers, observations, etc. We have mostly stewards on our safety committee.

 

[LeadBelly]

Any stewards who complains about the CHSP committee should join it and enforce the contract. It can be a beautiful thing.

 

[over9five]

I don't think any member should participate in the CHSP.

 

[10 point]

In my local they removed anyone that violated the bylaws ie. Following drivers, observations, etc. We have mostly stewards on our safety committee.

Yeah, we had a driver file an article 37 on the company because they sent a senior driver on the safety committee out to follow three drivers. The driver following the other co-workers absolutely knew that we had just cleared out all the hourly puppets that were on the safety committee for that one reason alone. It had previously started a heated conversation between a followed driver and a snitch that called in and gave up his name with the alleged infraction so there was no misunderstanding in the senior driver's mind that this was not only against Art 18's "role of a supervisor" language but it caused a hostile work environment. He knew that he shouldn't have repeated that action. He did it anyway. And then lied about it when he was caught.

The local BA stuck up for the senior (snitch) driver in the hearing and it hacked alot of people off even though the company shredded the observation forms he filled out against his co-workers. The BA withdrew the followed drivers grievance and the hate lingers for both the snitch and the BA.

Puppet safety committee members should never be in a place of leadership (this snitch is the co-chair) and puppet committees should be abolished.

 

[10 point]

Any stewards who complains about the CHSP committee should join it and enforce the contract. It can be a beautiful thing.

We did that and it became safety meetings from heck.

The company doesn't want to hear what is reality, they want to document X amount of hours for the powers that be to comply with mandated audits.

They want to do PCMs about how to put tire chains on (not our responsibility any more than using the cab fire extinguisher) but there is no training about placing the Federally mandated triangles out that keeps people from getting killed while stuck or broke down.

When a driver gets run over putting the chains on the vehicle they might change their attitude because they're gonna get sued.

 

[5habits100]

We did that and it became safety meetings from heck.

The company doesn't want to hear what is reality, they want to document X amount of hours for the powers that be to comply with mandated audits.

They want to do PCMs about how to put tire chains on (not our responsibility any more than using the cab fire extinguisher) but there is no training about placing the Federally mandated triangles out that keeps people from getting killed while stuck or broke down.

When a driver gets run over putting the chains on the vehicle they might change their attitude because they're gonna get sued.

It is a Union/Employer Committee. If the Employer doesn't let the Union run it as they see fit then the committee should go away. End of story.

 

[Mugarolla]

The company doesn't want to hear what is reality, they want to document X amount of hours for the powers that be to comply with mandated audits.

This is the only reason for the safety committee. They don't care about our safety except to try to show OSHA that they do.

At one point, we were OSHA's biggest customer. We were paying fines out the wazu. OSHA was going to take it to the next level. It was not going to be good for UPS.

UPS made a deal to implement these safety committees and hire an outside agency, Keter, to monitor their progress.

While the safety committees can do some good, with the right members on it, the only reason UPS participates is to keep OSHA off their backs.

Make sure the members are approved by the local, not just UPS kissasses, and hold their feet to the fire with the full power of OSHA behind the committees.