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[LagunaBrown]

Saturday air is Saturday delivery.


Intent and $5 will get you a bag of chips and a Coke.

You are just not getting it.

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

In my interpretation/reading/understanding whatever you want to call it. the total number of protected jobs will be the number of routes in Monday-Friday. The lowest number being Monday for my building. Therefore the number on Monday will be the number protected!

It's the number of drivers CURRENTLY scheduled M-friend, has nothing to do with routes in, and does not protect the positions MOVING BACK to M-friend. The drivers are protected, but not the jobs.

Ex: 10 drivers M-friend, 6 drivers T-S. All 16 will eventually be working M-friend in the next 18-24 months. As attrition takes its toll, only 10 RPCD jobs will the company contractually be obligated to keep.

 

[LagunaBrown]

Devil's advocate here, what building does not have Sat air? So even if XYZ center has not begun the "regular Saturday delivery" cluster that many of us know does the phrase, "in the event the company does not begin Saturday or Sunday delivery at a building until after August 1, 2018" even apply?

Basically you get the total RPCD and they are protected jobs. Now how many routes do you run on Saturday and how many RPCD are in you center?

 

[LagunaBrown]

It's the number of drivers CURRENTLY scheduled M-friend, has nothing to do with routes in, and does not protect the positions MOVING BACK to M-friend. The drivers are protected, but not the jobs.

Ex: 10 drivers M-friend, 6 drivers T-S. All 16 will eventually be working M-friend in the next 18-24 months. As attrition takes its toll, only 10 jobs will the company contractually be obligated to keep.

Not true because no 22.4 can work if a RPCD is laid off.

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

Not true because no 22.4 can work if a RPCD is laid off.

I'm not referring to layoffs, sorry for the confusion. As people get fired, quit, retire, die, etc. the company doesn't have to fill those 6 spots

 

[Benben]

“Protected jobs” shall
include RPCDs that will continue to be replaced by employees
covered under Article 41, Section 2

41, sec 2 is progression for new "RPCD" It is NOT about 22.4's!

Devil's advocate here again.

So if the driver of route 29A says screw this and takes a job at Boeing or the Railroad (Both of which pay more than UPS FYI!). 29A was never in on Mondays! What stops the company from cutting out that route out and renaming it Blueballs2 and puting a 22.4 on it? the RPCD was not replaced by a Art 41 sec 2 employee therefore your quote does not apply!

Do you understand now?

 

[Benben]

Basically you get the total RPCD and they are protected jobs.

"The number of RPCDs working a Monday through Friday

Those 2 quotes do NOT say, nor do they mean the same thing!!


Laguna, please we need you and others to understand the difference!

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

41, sec 2 is progression for new "RPCD" It is NOT about 22.4's!

Devil's advocate here again.

So if the driver of route 29A says screw this and takes a job at Boeing or the Railroad (Both of which pay more than UPS FYI!). 29A was never in on Mondays! What stops the company from cutting out that route out and renaming it Blueballs2 and puting a 22.4 on it? the RPCD was not replaced by a Art 41 sec 2 employee therefore your quote does not apply!

Do you understand now?

Routes are not jobs. Swing drivers do not have routes, but they do have jobs.

 

[LagunaBrown]

41, sec 2 is progression for new "RPCD" It is NOT about 22.4's!

Devil's advocate here again.

So if the driver of route 29A says screw this and takes a job at Boeing or the Railroad (Both of which pay more than UPS FYI!). 29A was never in on Mondays! What stops the company from cutting out that route out and renaming it Blueballs2 and puting a 22.4 on it? the RPCD was not replaced by a Art 41 sec 2 employee therefore your quote does not apply!

Do you understand now?

I know what you are saying and that your just trying to make sure RPCD don't get screwed. Hell I don't trust the company one little bit but I do trust the Teamsters. If you ask your Business agent I am sure he will agree that ALL RPCD jobs are protected and will not be diminished (even the T-S that will go M-friend)

I'll ask my Business Agent and you ask yours and lets get a straight answer, deal?

 

[Benben]

Routes are not jobs. Swing drivers do not have routes, but they do have jobs.

I equated them as being the same. In trying to simplify the argument I error-ed.

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

I know what you are saying and that your just trying to make sure RPCD don't get screwed. Hell I don't trust the company one little bit but I do trust the Teamsters. If you ask your Business agent I am sure he will agree that ALL RPCD jobs are protected and will not be diminished.

I wish I had the faith you do, and I'm really trying to help here, not be argumentative, but you're just wrong here. They are not ALL protected jobs. It's only current m-friend jobs that are protected. That's it.

 

[LagunaBrown]

I wish I had the faith you do, and I'm really trying to help here, not be argumentative, but you're just wrong here. They are not ALL protected jobs. It's only current m-friend jobs that are protected. That's it.

Oh I am wrong?

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

Oh I am wrong?

Yes, section 1 clearly states this, section 2 backs it up by defining ONLY M-friend scheduled RPCD as of August 1, 2018 are protected. This does not include those that will be moving back in the next 18-24 months.

The number of RPCDs working a Monday through Friday
schedule in each building, shall be verified and agreed to by
each Local Union and the Company Labor Representative, as of
August 1, 2018 and shall be protected jobs. “Protected jobs” shall
include RPCDs that will continue to be replaced by employees
covered under Article 41, Section 2. In the event the Company
does not begin Saturday or Sunday delivery at a building until
after August 1, 2018, the number of RPCD jobs in existence at the
time of implementation shall be included as “protected jobs.”

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Yeah, forgot about that movie!

Nice comparison.

Let them in the back door and you get slaughtered

 

[Time for change]

Why are many locals against this that typically recommend a yes vote to the master?

 

[dogs.bite.me]

Once again we have a 8 hour 5 consecutive guarantee in the Southwest. What do you not understand about that?

What you are missing is them saying
“Sorry there is no work available. Go home.”
Then you respond, but I’m guaranteed 8.
They tell you to go home and file a grievance.
You do that.
When grievance gets heard, you lose because the company says there was no work available.

 

[dogs.bite.me]

Where in the contract does it say there must be Saturday ground to implement 22.4 language? I must have missed that part.

It does say it.

Read in the22.4 language

 

[Tony Q]

Saturday air is Saturday delivery.


Intent and $5 will get you a bag of chips and a Coke.

That is different.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Not sure what you mean by this but false accusations hurt everyone, but truly only discredit the accuser.

Sorry it was more like this

In this box is article 37, I will trade you what's behind the curtain for it....

 

[cachmeifucan]

Vote no