dilligaf
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It is the same issue, just a different set of circumstances. What you say is something I hadn't considered. A different angle from a different border.
Arizona's anti-imigration law...
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It is the same issue, just a different set of circumstances. What you say is something I hadn't considered. A different angle from a different border.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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It's not nearly the same issue. The only "violence" we get on our border is impatience on the part of some drivers for having to wait to clear customs, especially on a Canadian holiday, where the wait can sometimes be an hour or more.
It is ironic that our locals who work for the Border Patrol are normally sent to the US/Mexico border right out of the academy and then must wait for their turn to be assigned closer to home. It is the same with our locals who become prison guards--they are sent to prisons closer to NYC first before making their way back to prisons closer to home.
bbsam has it right--it is the time for the Feds to make a strong financial commitment to solve the illegal immigration problem by putting the resources and personnel in place. Putting boots on the ground tends to turn things around.
dilligaf
IN VINO VERITAS
You are right. It's not nearly the same issue in that sense. Something does need to be done.
I think I am fairly close on where Baba was going with his statement. Do you see where he might have been going with it?
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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No, I don't, as I am neither directly or indirectly impacted by what is going on in your part of the world. I am waiting for his explanation.
dilligaf
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Ok, hopefully he can make more sense of it than I could. It's all good. Didn't mean to offend you by putting in my 2 cents.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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No offense taken. We are simply not impacted one way or another by illegal immigration.
dilligaf
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moreluck
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UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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People in Upstate NY are not directly or indirectly impacted by the illegal immigration problem along the US/Mexico border. That is what I meant by "we".
moreluck
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But you are......when states like CA. AZ. & TX. are burdened by the illegal immigrants in their schools and medical facilities.......money gets used quickly. Then when these states need rescued, the entire U.S. bails them out and that's your tax dollar. "No man is an island".......Thomas Merton was right.
Babagounj
Strength through joy
So you have the notion that all spanish speaking people in NY only come from other places than Mexico ?
And just how did they get here ? swim across the atlantic ocean ?
In the Boston area ( which also does not border Mexico ) I have seen a great influx of OTM (other than mexico) . I non longer can shop in several stores since they now cater to this influx.
I would suggest you listen to a police band radio , listen to several different departments, and you will repeatly hear the same things over & over; no license, doesnot understand English, no registation, no id, no other licensed operators in vehicle, need a tow, violation of a court order, DUI,and my favorite is the rap sheet (after 5 minutes ) is still being printed.
Think about the time involved with every traffic stop. That officer has to devote his attention to the impounding of the car, the paperwork, writing the tickets ( which probably will never be paid ) and trying to find out just who this operator really is. Impounding the car & selling it at auction is ( ask any police officer ) a revolving door; some other illegal will soon be driving it.
I have to carry auto insurance to cover me should I be in an accident with an uninsured motorist. That is a cost I should not have to bear. Do you have that coverage ?
Check out your local public housing rolls; does your state check the status of all they shelter ? Could someone be "stealing " a slot that some neighbor could really use ?
Babagounj
Strength through joy
Brittancus on the Costs of ILLEGAL Immigration
JUST THE TIP OF THE FINANCIAL ICEBURG
Not just Arizona, Colorado–but every state on the border or the length and breathe of American is paying for the illegal immigration occupation of our nation.
At the Heritage Foundation Robert Rector is a, leading national authority on poverty, welfare and immigration.
This report illustrates what you pay out, to furnish cheap labor to criminal employers. The Heritage Foundation, however, has revealed that illegal immigrants take in $32,138 in immediate benefits and services for every $9,686 in taxes they pay out. FAIR research specifies that “between 40 and 50 percent of wage-loss among low-skilled Americans is due to the legal migration of low-skilled workers. Some native workers lose not just wages but their jobs through illegal alien competition. An estimated 1,880,000 American workers are displaced from their employment every year by immigration; the expenditure for providing welfare and assistance to these Americans is over $15 billion a year.”
National Academy of Sciences found that the net fiscal drain on American taxpayers is between $166 and $226 a year per native household. Currently, Illegal Immigration expenditures have reached $113 Billion annually, a forced Drain on Taxpayers by each government. It is also estimated that illegal workers send outside of America $60 billion through foreign banks.
The Us Border Patrol estimates that an average of 10,000 illegal aliens cross the border every day – over 3 million per year. A third will be caught and many of them immediately will turn around and try again. About half of those remaining will become permanent (ILLEGAL) U.S. residents.
Illegal aliens have cost billions of taxpayer-funded dollars for medical services. Dozens of hospitals in Texas, New Mexico Arizona, and California, have been forced to close or face insolvency since federally-mandated programs requiring free emergency room services to illegal aliens. Taxpayers pay half-a-billion dollars per year incarcerating illegal alien criminals.
JUST THE TIP OF THE FINANCIAL ICEBURG
Not just Arizona, Colorado–but every state on the border or the length and breathe of American is paying for the illegal immigration occupation of our nation.
At the Heritage Foundation Robert Rector is a, leading national authority on poverty, welfare and immigration.
This report illustrates what you pay out, to furnish cheap labor to criminal employers. The Heritage Foundation, however, has revealed that illegal immigrants take in $32,138 in immediate benefits and services for every $9,686 in taxes they pay out. FAIR research specifies that “between 40 and 50 percent of wage-loss among low-skilled Americans is due to the legal migration of low-skilled workers. Some native workers lose not just wages but their jobs through illegal alien competition. An estimated 1,880,000 American workers are displaced from their employment every year by immigration; the expenditure for providing welfare and assistance to these Americans is over $15 billion a year.”
National Academy of Sciences found that the net fiscal drain on American taxpayers is between $166 and $226 a year per native household. Currently, Illegal Immigration expenditures have reached $113 Billion annually, a forced Drain on Taxpayers by each government. It is also estimated that illegal workers send outside of America $60 billion through foreign banks.
The Us Border Patrol estimates that an average of 10,000 illegal aliens cross the border every day – over 3 million per year. A third will be caught and many of them immediately will turn around and try again. About half of those remaining will become permanent (ILLEGAL) U.S. residents.
Illegal aliens have cost billions of taxpayer-funded dollars for medical services. Dozens of hospitals in Texas, New Mexico Arizona, and California, have been forced to close or face insolvency since federally-mandated programs requiring free emergency room services to illegal aliens. Taxpayers pay half-a-billion dollars per year incarcerating illegal alien criminals.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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The only Spanish speaking people we have here in Upstate NY are residents of one of our fine correctional facilities.
The definition of what is upstate NY differs depending upon where you live. For Steve, it is anything north of NYC. For me, it is anything north of Albany.
The definition of what is upstate NY differs depending upon where you live. For Steve, it is anything north of NYC. For me, it is anything north of Albany.
That being the case, my rather nonchalant dispassionate attitude to the situation is as valid as those living on the border. This is a national problem for the federal government to make right.
klein
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I hope you deport all of them.
So, americans will lose rent money, farmers will lose workers.
More forclosesures, and face the concequences of everything else.
Then I can buy a house in the US soon for 50K !
moreluck
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If they were all deported, states would have billions more $$$ and maybe the debt could be paid down.
klein
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Sorry, moreluck.
I just can't see how every single illegal citizen lives off welfare, and gets goverments subsidizes and free healthcare, free college, free housing, etc.
You tell me how that works.
Because, then I'll be moving there soon.
moreluck
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Of course, not every single one.......but enough to where the TRUE citizens don't get helped because the crooks are taking it.
All the picking of crops can be done by work release prisoners.....they just sit around lifting weights in jail and getting tattoos. They could work.
All the picking of crops can be done by work release prisoners.....they just sit around lifting weights in jail and getting tattoos. They could work.
