Arizona's anti-imigration law...

[klein]

Don't know about anywhere else in the US, but I do know of many nice houses in my area that are priced at $50K. But then you wouldn't like it around here so look closer to Albany.
Some Americans will indeed lose a little rent money and farmers will have to pay a little higher wage. That is the price one pays for doing business with criminals, plus there is still a temp quest workers program. I don't think there will be that many more foreclosures, maybe a few. What other consequences are you dreaming about?

I'm already getting my oranges and mandarins out of Peru at Safeway.
Because we got a new free trade deal with Peru among many other countries in South America and worldwide (ever since the US went into that deep Bush recession).

You want to hire regular workers to work your farms, and pay them fair (or atleast minimum wages). So much for the export of american fruit and veggies.
Besides that, like other US farmers have done... they will just lease land in Mexico and relocate.
Much cheaper and more profitable.

And it would come up to the American consumer if they want to pay for a head of cabbage made in the USA for $1.00 or the Mexican cabbage for 50 cents.
But, we already know that outcome in advance.

 

[pickup]

I'm already getting my oranges and mandarins out of Peru at Safeway.
Because we got a new free trade deal with Peru among many other countries in South America and worldwide (ever since the US went into that deep Bush recession).

You want to hire regular workers to work your farms, and pay them fair (or atleast minimum wages). So much for the export of american fruit and veggies.
Besides that, like other US farmers have done... they will just lease land in Mexico and relocate.
Much cheaper and more profitable.

And it would come up to the American consumer if they want to pay for a head of cabbage made in the USA for $1.00 or the Mexican cabbage for 50 cents.
But, we already know that outcome in advance.

As far as I know, safeway is a company with its corporate headquarters in California. Are you still going to shop there with that boycott that you bragged about so much about , the boycott of american companies because some american companies don't want to purchase oil made from those sandpits in Alberta?

 

[klein]

As far as I know, safeway is a company with its corporate headquarters in California. Are you still going to shop there with that boycott that you bragged about so much about , the boycott of american companies because some american companies don't want to purchase oil made from those sandpits in Alberta?

Safeway didn't join that boycott, and they probably couldn't.
Since they lease farmland here and truck tons of veggies and fruits from Alberta to California, too.

I love Safeway. I'm a loyal customer to them.
They do us just as good.

They have meat, bread, dairy (milk), and frozen and canned veggie manufacturing plants are over western Canada.

Next time you buy a bag of frozen Safeway peas, carrots,etc, or even canned..... they are right from here , Alberta.

 

[pickup]

Safeway didn't join that boycott, and they probably couldn't.
Since they lease farmland here and truck tons of veggies and fruits from Alberta to California, too.

I love Safeway. I'm a loyal customer to them.
They do us just as good.

They have meat, bread, dairy (milk), and frozen and canned veggie manufacturing plants are over western Canada.

Next time you buy a bag of frozen Safeway peas, carrots,etc, or even canned..... they are right from here , Alberta.

we don't have safeways where I am at. However , I have had the unique experience of buying whole carrots that were grown in Canada. They sucked. They tasted horrible , and they were more expensive than the carrots grown in california. I equate the "grown in canada" label with the picture of a skunk.

 

[Lue C Fur]

 

[KingofBrown]

Cowboy, I won't say nothing about the cattle butchered and things like that, because I don't know what Cowboys do when they ecounter a "Cuatrero." However, you have to really support what you think or at least decide what you agree to, because you're like "I love meat, but I'm a vegeterian." The three illegals may ought to count themselves lucky, lucky to still be alive. Again, I do not feel that torture was right but forcing them to go back to Mexico dang sure was.
I'm not sure if the term vigilante is appropriate in this case, as Americans we have the legal right to protect our lives and our property.

Um.... Texan, Texan. So, in this case, as you say, the ranchers were protecting their lives and property... by torturing. What a bummer.

It'd be nice if you could place the other side of the story. Thanks.

There is no excuse for torturing three individuals. However, we probably have not heard all of the story on this and probably never will. We don't know how many times these ranchers have had cattle butchered by illegals crossing their land or if vehicles have been stolen or lives of the rancher's family have been threatened or any other details that may have preceded this incident. The report stated these young men held jobs in Mexico but made a choice to come here illegally for higher wages, they knew it was illegal.
The three illegals may ought to count themselves lucky, lucky to still be alive. Again, I do not feel that torture was right but forcing them to go back to Mexico dang sure was.
I'm not sure if the term vigilante is appropriate in this case, as Americans we have the legal right to protect our lives and our property.

As far as politicians blaming someone else for their own failures? What a shock!

 

[KingofBrown]

dilligaf, first of all, you say that Many of them, but not all, are carrying that crime to the nth degree. I don't get your point, are the Illegal Immigrants or the Coyotes carrying that crime to the nth degree? And if the illegals are carrying that crime to the nth degree, what is "many"? The majority? 90, 80, 60, 50%? Where are you getting your statistics and facts?...and moreluck, if you get the chance to read this, please just don't say "They're Criminals, by GOD's Sake!"

And before you say that the mexicans that are being held against their will for payment are indeed victims, stop and think. How did they get there? They put themselves in that position by trying to get across the border illegally. They made themselves the victims. It was their choice.

Although, I understand your point in some way, I can't agree with you at this, dilligaf. Please let me know if the 72 illegal immigrants masacred in Tamaulipas, Mexico are victims or not. Or if by your logic that was their choice, and they made themselves the victims.

KOB

First off, if you're gonna post this, at least acknowledge that this case is 34 years old. To do otherwise is disingenuous. Todays world is FAR different that what it was 34 years ago.


I disagree that the Hanigan case reminds us that immigrant mexicans are more likely to be the victims of crimes rather the the perpetrators. The majority of AZ citizens, and especially border citizens are not vigilantes. They are trying to protect their lives and their property from an influx of illegals. The illegals crossing the border are just that, illegal. They are perpetrating a crime. Many of them, but not all, are carrying that crime to the nth degree. They are bringing drugs across, destroying lives and property. They are trafficking in humans, holding hostages for ransom. And before you say that the mexicans that are being held against their will for payment are indeed victims, stop and think. How did they get there? They put themselves in that position by trying to get across the border illegally. They made themselves the victims. It was their choice.


Footnote:

The use of 'migrant' in the article denotes the time frame. Migration was an accepted and widely practiced thing in the 70's and many years prior and post to. The migrants came here to work and returned home.

It is safe to say that the word 'migrant' is not applicable in todays world. Immigrant would be the more acceptable term.

 

[Babagounj]

How can you not like Texas when cars like that drive there?

http://eye-on-the-world.blogspot.com/2010/08/how-can-you-not-like-texas-when-cars.html

 

[dilligaf]

dilligaf, first of all, you say that Many of them, but not all, are carrying that crime to the nth degree. I don't get your point, are the Illegal Immigrants or the Coyotes carrying that crime to the nth degree? And if the illegals are carrying that crime to the nth degree, what is "many"? The majority? 90, 80, 60, 50%? Where are you getting your statistics and facts?...and moreluck, if you get the chance to read this, please just don't say "They're Criminals, by GOD's Sake!"

And before you say that the mexicans that are being held against their will for payment are indeed victims, stop and think. How did they get there? They put themselves in that position by trying to get across the border illegally. They made themselves the victims. It was their choice.

Although, I understand your point in some way, I can't agree with you at this, dilligaf. Please let me know if the 72 illegal immigrants masacred in Tamaulipas, Mexico are victims or not. Or if by your logic that was their choice, and they made themselves the victims.

When I said many, I meant both. And just for your edification, there are coyotes that are legal citizens. I know this for a fact. Did I say anywhere, anything about statistics? NO! I said many. You can take that anyway you want to. 72 illegals massacred in Mexico? ?????? 72 Mexican illegals massacred in Mexico?

 

[Babagounj]

Saturday 8/28/10
El Sol de Mexico (Mexico City) 8/27/10
Mexico has double standards toward migrants
According to Mexico’s Center for Human Rights of Migrants (CNDH), Mexico operates on a double standard in regards to the treatment of undocumented migrants. In a communique issued from Cd. Juarez, the organization pointed out that while the Mexican government demands respect for their countrymen in the US, it violates the human rights of Central and South Americans in Mexico. In reference to the recent massacre of 72 people in Tamaulipas, what happened there is only a reflection of the vulnerability of migrants in Mexico. Just this past May, they point out, the United Nation’s Human Rights Council expressed surprise at the growing xenophobia, aggressions, tortures, anti-migrant laws and even murders suffered by undocumented Central and South Americans in their transit through Mexican territory.
One of the most serious problems facing migrants in Mexico today is kidnapping. The CNDH documented the kidnapping of 9,758 undocumented migrants in Mexico between September 2008 and February 2009, more than 1,600 per month. The report also warned that the kidnapping of migrants has become a common practice, usually unpunished and with acts of extreme cruelty, carried out as much by the authorities as by organized crime. The crime is very lucrative. In the total number of cases cited above, the take in those six months was approximately 25 million US dollars.
http://www.oem.com.mx/elsoldemexico/notas/n1761035.htm

 

[Babagounj]

70% of America Want ILLEGALS Deported — 53% Reject Anchor Baby Citizenship
Brad O’Leary: Survey finds 70 percent support for deporting illegal immigrants

By: Brad O’Leary
OpEd Contributor
A strong majority of American voters want serious action taken to solve the illegal immigration problem – including 53 percent who say children born to illegal immigrant parents should not be automatic citizens, and 70% who say it’s important to locate and deport those residing in the U.S. illegally – according to a recent poll by Zogby International.

 

[Babagounj]

More than 3,000 Mexican federal police fired, commissioner says

Mexico City, Mexico (CNN) — About 3,200 Mexican federal police have been fired since May for failing to do their work or being linked to corruption, Federal Police Commissioner Facundo Rosas said Monday.
Of those, 465 have been charged with crimes.
In addition, Rosas said at a news conference, another 1,020 officers face disciplinary proceedings for failing confidence exams.
The probe started in mid-May, said Marco Tulio Lopez of the federal police internal affairs department.
“Investigations of our department began many months ago and this is the result,” federal police spokesman Ramon Salinas told CNN.
Among the officers who were fired, Rosas said, were officials in Ciudad Juarez who were publicly accused by fellow officers of corruption several weeks ago. In that incident, two groups of officers shoved and fought each other outside police headquarters.
The fired officers account for about 9 percent of the federal police force, which has about 34,500 officials.
None of the dismissed officers will be allowed to be rehired on police forces at the local, state or federal levels, Rosas said.

 

[dilligaf]

Saturday 8/28/10
El Sol de Mexico (Mexico City) 8/27/10
Mexico has double standards toward migrants
According to Mexico’s Center for Human Rights of Migrants (CNDH), Mexico operates on a double standard in regards to the treatment of undocumented migrants. In a communique issued from Cd. Juarez, the organization pointed out that while the Mexican government demands respect for their countrymen in the US, it violates the human rights of Central and South Americans in Mexico. In reference to the recent massacre of 72 people in Tamaulipas, what happened there is only a reflection of the vulnerability of migrants in Mexico. Just this past May, they point out, the United Nation’s Human Rights Council expressed surprise at the growing xenophobia, aggressions, tortures, anti-migrant laws and even murders suffered by undocumented Central and South Americans in their transit through Mexican territory.
One of the most serious problems facing migrants in Mexico today is kidnapping. The CNDH documented the kidnapping of 9,758 undocumented migrants in Mexico between September 2008 and February 2009, more than 1,600 per month. The report also warned that the kidnapping of migrants has become a common practice, usually unpunished and with acts of extreme cruelty, carried out as much by the authorities as by organized crime. The crime is very lucrative. In the total number of cases cited above, the take in those six months was approximately 25 million US dollars.
http://www.oem.com.mx/elsoldemexico/notas/n1761035.htm

Thanks Baba.

dilligaf, first of all, you say that Many of them, but not all, are carrying that crime to the nth degree. I don't get your point, are the Illegal Immigrants or the Coyotes carrying that crime to the nth degree? And if the illegals are carrying that crime to the nth degree, what is "many"? The majority? 90, 80, 60, 50%? Where are you getting your statistics and facts?...and moreluck, if you get the chance to read this, please just don't say "They're Criminals, by GOD's Sake!"

And before you say that the mexicans that are being held against their will for payment are indeed victims, stop and think. How did they get there? They put themselves in that position by trying to get across the border illegally. They made themselves the victims. It was their choice.

Although, I understand your point in some way, I can't agree with you at this, dilligaf. Please let me know if the 72 illegal immigrants masacred in Tamaulipas, Mexico are victims or not. Or if by your logic that was their choice, and they made themselves the victims.

I could care less what happens in Mexico. That is for their 2-faced el presidente to deal with.

 

[klein]

2 faced like americans ? Don't care about the northern border like Mexico doesn't ?

But the southern borders only ?

 

[diesel96]

How can you not like Texas when cars like that drive there?

http://eye-on-the-world.blogspot.com/2010/08/how-can-you-not-like-texas-when-cars.html

Ironically, that angry hatefull driver of that SUV, is on the way to pick up their kid at Christian School. Wouldn't surprise any of us if they had a set of Teabagger nuts hanging from the trailer hitch as well.....yippee ky yay m-n effer....

 

[trplnkl]

Cowboy, I won't say nothing about the cattle butchered and things like that, because I don't know what Cowboys do when they ecounter a "Cuatrero." However, you have to really support what you think or at least decide what you agree to, because you're like "I love meat, but I'm a vegeterian." The three illegals may ought to count themselves lucky, lucky to still be alive. Again, I do not feel that torture was right but forcing them to go back to Mexico dang sure was.
These days, when "rustlers" are caught, they are prosecuted and sentenced according to the prevailing laws of the state, a hundred years ago the hung them in the nearest tree.
The reason they did that was mainly because the law at the time allowed it and there was a severe shortage of LEOs.
I can see why you are a grunt for UPS and not a writing analyst , your conclusion of "I love meat, but I'm a vegeterian.", is way off. What would be closer is,' I love meat, with veggies on the side".
Even better would be, " I love a balanced diet".
I'm not sure if the term vigilante is appropriate in this case, as Americans we have the legal right to protect our lives and our property.


Um.... Texan, Texan. So, in this case, as you say, the ranchers were protecting their lives and property... by torturing. What a bummer.

I did not say they were doing anything, I was saying they have the right to protect themselves and their property. One more time you prove that reading between the lines can give you the wrong conclusion.
It is pretty simple, you take one article (according to Dilligaf was 34 years ago) with few details and want to paint a picture of rampant vigilantism, which may not be the whole story, I suppose you think that evey crime committed against a certain race is based on racism. Here is a flash for ya, it just aint so.
It'd be nice if you could place the other side of the story. Thanks.
You posted the article, that's one side of the story, I posted a "possible" other side. They only "other side of the story" is the who;e truth, which neither YOU or I know. I don't pretend to know the facts, maybe you shouldn't either.

 

[tourists24]

Ironically, that angry hatefull driver of that SUV, is on the way to pick up their kid at Christian School. Wouldn't surprise any of us if they had a set of Teabagger nuts hanging from the trailer hitch as well.....yippee ky yay m-n effer....

at least they have a set......

 

[trplnkl]

Ironically, that angry hatefull driver of that SUV, is on the way to pick up their kid at Christian School. Wouldn't surprise any of us if they had a set of Teabagger nuts hanging from the trailer hitch as well.....yippee ky yay m-n effer....

Is your statement a fact or are you speculating ?
I promise, that is not my truck.

 

[Lue C Fur]

Is your statement a fact or are you speculating ?
I promise, that is not my truck.

Deez is just showing that he is being the good Liberal Dimocrat...hurling insults and playing the race card against anyone who disagrees with his Messiah.

 

[dilligaf]

2 faced like americans ? Don't care about the northern border like Mexico doesn't ?

But the southern borders only ?

What? My statement offends you? SO! Might I suggest then, that you stay in Canada. Please do.