Arizona's anti-imigration law...

[moreluck]

It's like they are all trying to create this secret kingdom while we are not looking. Guess what....we're looking now and under a microscope !!

 

[UPS Lifer]

As if the raging drug war wasn’t enough to stop people from visiting Mexico, their tourism board is running ads like this…

I think the tourism board is smoking some of that pot that More wants to legalize! LOL! Who in there right mind would respond favorably to an ad like this one???

OK - I think my coffee is done kickin in for today!!

 

[klein]

One of Australiens travel-tourism slogans is :

Where the Bloody Hell are You ?

 

[diesel96]

Here is the cool part all you uber liberals don't get! All you can do is talk about Arizona!

Blah! Blah! Blah! I along with Dill are citizens of Arizona and we can Vote! Vote! Vote! So ..... we have the power! You have the talk!

Thank all the supporters out there. We will continue to lead the way so that maybe something will get done in your states as well. Our governors approval rating is through the roof right now!

So all you uber-liberals or as I like to say ... donkey lovers - See ya in November!!!

Post script - I am not talking for Dill, she can do just fine without me!

You and Police Chief Joe Arpaio do not speak for many, if not most of Az police officials, who are also against this racist Bill/Law, amended or not. They don't like it anymore than people in the rest of the country. In fact, the first lawsuit filed against it was filed by a police officer. It doesn't matter that it stated 3 different times that race can't be a factor . . . the ONLY way that a police officer, who may be sued if he/she doesn't follow this law well enough, can determine "reasonable suspicion" that someone is an "illegal" (illegal meaning Hispanic) is by looking at the color of their skin and their surname. Reasonable suspicion means that there is evidence that A) a person has committed a crime (is at the scene of a crime) or B) that a person is contemplating committing a crime (is at the door of a closed establishment at 2 a.m.). Please tell me, Lifer (Donkey Hater), what could constitute "reasonable suspicion" that a person is an "illegal"? I guarantee that a blue-eyed blonde wouldn't be asked for his/her papers.

Keep repeating your stupid labels and proving to all that profiling exists starting with you..... "political profiling" that is, seems to tickle your fancy. Just makes you look uninformed and a damm sore loser for the performance of your GOP surrogates of 2000 thru 2008..... Yes, you have the right to vote in Az, but you don't have the right to make up your own facts...... And the fact is even with immigration and the Az's crime rate has been in a decline for the last decade.....

 

[moreluck]

diesel.....did you contribute to Al Gore's re-count ??????

 

[Lue C Fur]

Looks like Deez is one of the Liberals that has not read the bill and does not understand the federal law on Illegals. This has been beat to death but sometimes the "Donkeys" have the blinders straped to tight and it cuts the circulation off to the brain.

Lets refresh:

Federal law (this is the Obama guys Deez)...under federal law cops can pull you over for no reason and demand to see your immigration papers. That is shocking Deez!!! Obama and his henchmen must be racists!!! I think the ACLU should look at Obama and all the people at ICE for being racists. How would they know who is an illegal without using racial profiling...Deez...you should lead the pack and go after the Messiah.

AZ law (Hey Deez...these are the nice guys that want to make sure they dont hurt any illegals feelings...but actually care about American citizens) Police need probable cause to ask for your immigration papers. You still with me Deez...OK...now the AZ cop pulls you over for speeding and you cant produce a drivers license (that is the card in your wallet with a picture on it...you still with me Deez?) and you dont have insurance either (that is the paper in your glove box...ya know GEICO). Now the cop notices that your vehicle has 10 people in in but only 5 seatbelts...(that is the strap that holds you in place when your crash your car so you dont fly thru the window...you still with me Deez?)...now the cop hears everyone in the car speaking some foreign language that he does not undestand and no one understands the cops english. Now the cop has a reasonable suspicion that they might be illegal. Of course he has to call for a translator to ask them some questions and in the end to ask for their passsport, alien cards, work visa, etc. Now you do know its the law that you need to have your Green card (its actually white now) on you at all times...(ya still with me Deez??) So now since they are found to be illegal he sends them to ICE (that is the Federal guys Deez...the Obama people) who in turn dont do anything because Janet "all vets are terrorists" Napoltano does not care about the citizens of America. Kinda like you Deez and the rest of the Liberals who just dont get it that we need to secure our borders to keep our citizens safe. Instead your more concerned about the poor illegals and giving them Amnesty so the Liberals can stay in power. You still following me Deez or should we send some Illegals to your house for dinner...maybe the child molester ones or the rapists, or how about a car bomber...

 

[scratch]

Yes, you have the right to vote in Az, but you don't have the right to make up your own facts...... And the fact is even with immigration and the Az's crime rate has been in a decline for the last decade.....

??????

 

[wkmac]

Yes, you have the right to vote in Az, but you don't have the right to make up your own facts...... And the fact is even with immigration and the Az's crime rate has been in a decline for the last decade.....

??????

Scratch,

According to the FBI, from 1989' to 2008' crime across the country has been down and in some catagories, drastically down. Not to say there aren't pockets of problems or situations that drive public opinion to think the problem is vastly bigger than it really is but the claims of crisis IMO are more driven by people out to twist for political gain or obtain wrongly misplaced power that does more harm than good over the longrun.

The more one reads about the Arizona law and circumstances, the more one concludes that both sides of the debate are overhyping the situation in order to exploit it. Thanks for pointing out the above!

jmo

BTW: Growing up as a child into early teens in the dying days of the segregated south, the utter and unnecessary white adult hysteria I saw then as if the world were ending is the same thing I often see now when it comes to the illegal alien. Now 40 to 50 years later we learn how ridiculous such overacting drama was and I wonder what we'll learn again in another 40 or 50 years about today?

 

[Babagounj]

wkmac, I can not put any faith in the FBI anymore, heck they can't even find this old guy,
RACKETEERING INFLUENCED AND CORRUPT ORGANIZATIONS (RICO) - MURDER (19 COUNTS), CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT MURDER, CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT EXTORTION, NARCOTICS DISTRIBUTION, CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT MONEY LAUNDERING; EXTORTION; MONEY LAUNDERING JAMES J. BULGER

 

[moreluck]

Why didn't they keep him when they took his picture ???

 

[Babagounj]

Why didn't they keep him when they took his picture ???

(1) his brother was the leader of the state house, who lived right next door & claimed not to know anything about what he was doing.
(2) The Boston FBI office was corrupt.
His FBI handler was actually a member of his gang.
He has been convicted in Mass. and is going on trial in Fl for murder.

 

[Babagounj]

Immigrant exodus: Lack of jobs has Mexicans headed home
By Francis X. Gilpin
Staff writer
RAEFORD — Arizona officials say they are overrun with Mexicans. In Hoke County, though, Mexicans seem to be heading home – and some business owners miss them.
Raeford mobile home park owner Isidoro Basurto said scores of Mexican families have re-crossed the border in the past year, resigned to tougher immigration enforcement and a bad economy north of the Rio Grande.
“I can tell you, 99 percent of the people that move from this mobile home park, they go back to Mexico,” Basurto said.

The Mexican departures may be subtly reshaping the demographics of Hoke County and other North Carolina communities where, until recently, Hispanic immigrants were recruited for demanding but low-wage jobs in farm fields and meat-packing plants – jobs that Americans have shunned.
Business owners who cater to Hispanics bemoan the slumping sales that have followed the sad farewells of customers.
“They usually come by and say bye,” said Raeford mobile-phone retailer Xiomara Ruckel, who sells 80 percent of her calling plans to Spanish-speaking people.
El Ranchero, a Mexican grocery store in Lumberton, used to be a well-known spot for immigrants to find anything from fresh produce to the latest Mexican music CDs.
Now it’s the place to buy a one-way ticket back to Mexico – with buses departing seven days a week.
“Nobody wants to give us steady work,” Dagoberto Garcia said in Spanish as he waited with four other men under the shade of an awning. “For many years, places like the meat-processing plants and farms welcomed us with open arms. Today, they won’t even let us on the premises to apply for work.
Store owner Enrique Mendoza said the lack of work for undocumented immigrants at the meat plants owned by Mountaire Farms LLC, House of Raeford Farms Inc. and Smithfield Foods Inc. has made it impossible for the men to stay.
“I’ve sold thousands of bus tickets over the last two years,” Mendoza said. “Many of these people were customers for over a decade.”

 

[bbsam]

Scratch,

According to the FBI, from 1989' to 2008' crime across the country has been down and in some catagories, drastically down. Not to say there aren't pockets of problems or situations that drive public opinion to think the problem is vastly bigger than it really is but the claims of crisis IMO are more driven by people out to twist for political gain or obtain wrongly misplaced power that does more harm than good over the longrun.

The more one reads about the Arizona law and circumstances, the more one concludes that both sides of the debate are overhyping the situation in order to exploit it. Thanks for pointing out the above!

jmo

BTW: Growing up as a child into early teens in the dying days of the segregated south, the utter and unnecessary white adult hysteria I saw then as if the world were ending is the same thing I often see now when it comes to the illegal alien. Now 40 to 50 years later we learn how ridiculous such overacting drama was and I wonder what we'll learn again in another 40 or 50 years about today?

Wk--It wasn't hype at all. I married one of the white women and now we have three spawn and I'm teaching them all to hate their own race, even the blonde haired blue-eyed little girl and the blond-haired green-eyed boy. Hey...?! Well she said they were mine! Kinda grown attached to them.... Guess I'll keep 'em.

 

[tieguy]

You and Police Chief Joe Arpaio do not speak for many, if not most of Az police officials, who are also against this racist Bill/Law, amended or not. They don't like it anymore than people in the rest of the country. In fact, the first lawsuit filed against it was filed by a police officer. It doesn't matter that it stated 3 different times that race can't be a factor . . . the ONLY way that a police officer, who may be sued if he/she doesn't follow this law well enough, can determine "reasonable suspicion" that someone is an "illegal" (illegal meaning Hispanic) is by looking at the color of their skin and their surname. Reasonable suspicion means that there is evidence that A) a person has committed a crime (is at the scene of a crime) or B) that a person is contemplating committing a crime (is at the door of a closed establishment at 2 a.m.). Please tell me, Lifer (Donkey Hater), what could constitute "reasonable suspicion" that a person is an "illegal"? I guarantee that a blue-eyed blonde wouldn't be asked for his/her papers.

Keep repeating your stupid labels and proving to all that profiling exists starting with you..... "political profiling" that is, seems to tickle your fancy. Just makes you look uninformed and a damm sore loser for the performance of your GOP surrogates of 2000 thru 2008..... Yes, you have the right to vote in Az, but you don't have the right to make up your own facts...... And the fact is even with immigration and the Az's crime rate has been in a decline for the last decade.....

Despite your ramblings denying reality most americans agree with the arizona laws and do not think they are racist or profiling. How do you reconcile the point that you are so out of touch with reality?

 

[tieguy]

Looks like this thread has gotten a lot of action. Perhaps our liberal friends here can recommend some other more effective means of controlling illegal immigration then this law they oppose?

 

[bbsam]

Looks like this thread has gotten a lot of action. Perhaps our liberal friends here can recommend some other more effective means of controlling illegal immigration then this law they oppose?

We could encourage Arizona to secede from the nation and then they could be their own little nation and handle their own borders themselves until Mexico formally invaded. Or Congress could pass real reform. But that won't happen because the right doesn't want Obama to have any legislative victories.

 

[TechGrrl]

You may be able to do that with pot but there are some bad drugs out there that have no business being legalized. There would have to be strict control and that doesn't solve the problem of black market. Look at oxycontin. It is a major black market item and it is under federal control. That has solved nothing.

Uh, that's my point, see? Oxycontin and other pain killers are only legal by prescription for a medical problem. You should be able to buy all you want, at the state drug store. I say, legalize any and all drugs, sell them in state controlled stores, tax them, and use the money for treating those people who can't control their addictions. There'll be plenty of money left over for the general fund. Think of the billions and billions of dollars we have wasted over the last 35 years on a bogus war on drugs! Think of how many people we have in prison, getting fat off tax money, for minor drug offenses.
As long as there are laws to slam people who drive, or pilot airplanes, or anything else it is illegal to do while impaired by, you know, alcohol? I don't care what people put in their mouths/noses/other orifices. Stop wasting tax money on a failed policy, and supporting the cartels.

 

[Lue C Fur]

As long as there are laws to slam people who drive, or pilot airplanes, or anything else it is illegal to do while impaired by, you know, alcohol? I don't care what people put in their mouths/noses/other orifices. Stop wasting tax money on a failed policy, and supporting the cartels.

So you would not mind a doctor who smokes crack and snorts coke on his days off doing brain or heart surgery on you or your childern? How about a pilot doing meth are LSD on his days off? Maybe the aircraft mechanic dropping some acid and doing shrooms on his day off? How about cops and EMTs doing drugs on their days off? What about our Military men and woman on their days off?

Maybe this is who you want teaching your kids: http://www.facesofmeth.us/main.htm

 

[TechGrrl]

So you would not mind a doctor who smokes crack and snorts coke on his days off doing brain or heart surgery on you or your childern? How about a pilot doing meth are LSD on his days off? Maybe the aircraft mechanic dropping some acid and doing shrooms on his day off? How about cops and EMTs doing drugs on their days off? What about our Military men and woman on their days off?

Maybe this is who you want teaching your kids: http://www.facesofmeth.us/main.htm

Since all those guys can do all the alcohol they want on their days off, I don't see the difference. The legal definition of IMPAIRMENT would include how long it takes the drug to clear your system. By the way, if you think there are no doctors operating while doing drugs NOW, you are incredibly naive. Who owns the prescription pad? Who has the key to the drug locker? Medical personnel at all levels have far more access to drugs than any civilian.
All of the people and activities you described are happening TODAY. Under my suggestion, we would penalize people for hurting other people while impaired. And collect a lot of tax money, while reducing our prison population. Not to mention creating LEGAL jobs in the drug industry.
There's evidence that acid and pot enhance creativity. Why drive that underground?

 

[Lue C Fur]

Since all those guys can do all the alcohol they want on their days off, I don't see the difference.
There is a huge difference between alcohol and crack...i hope your not serious.
The legal definition of IMPAIRMENT would include how long it takes the drug to clear your system.
So your saying that the long term effects of crack, meth, acid, cocaine are the same as alcohol?
By the way, if you think there are no doctors operating while doing drugs NOW, you are incredibly naive. Who owns the prescription pad? Who has the key to the drug locker? Medical personnel at all levels have far more access to drugs than any civilian.
Of course there are doctors that due drugs. Just like there are pilots, cops, and judges, and presidents. The after effects of hard drugs is where the problem is.
All of the people and activities you described are happening TODAY. Under my suggestion, we would penalize people for hurting other people while impaired.
Have you ever seen anyone that is addicted to drugs or even alcohol before? Its not just impared...you really need to do your research.
And collect a lot of tax money, while reducing our prison population. Not to mention creating LEGAL jobs in the drug industry.
Just what we need...more people on drugs on the streets...sure they will contribute to society...they will get jobs to help pay for their crack habit. LOL
There's evidence that acid and pot enhance creativity. Why drive that underground?
Your right and i think you should do as much acid as you can to enhance your creativity. Im sure it will help get you promoted to a high paying job with all those creative brain cells that you will keep.