Arizona's anti-imigration law...

Babagounj

Strength through joy
Burleson Tea Party schedules Hispanic speakers who support Arizona law

By AMAN BATHEJA

Three weeks after nationwide protests showed that many Hispanics oppose Arizona's new immigration law, a local Tea Party group hopes to provide a different perspective.

The Burleson Tea Party is hosting a "Keep America Free" town-hall meeting featuring Hispanic speakers who support the law, which allows officers to ask people for documents to prove that they are in this country legally.
Among the speakers Sunday will be Bert Hernandez, vice president of the Hispanic Republican Club of McLennan County.
"As a Hispanic, as a Mexican-American and as an immigrant, I am not alone in saying that I support Arizona," Hernandez said. "I think Arizona did the right thing."

 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birthright citizenship


The author of Arizona's immigration law, state Sen. Russell Pearce, told constituents he wants to pass another measure to invalidate citizenship granted to the children of illegal aliens.
Pearce wrote that he plans to "push for an Arizona bill that would refuse to accept or issue a birth certificate that recognizes citizenship to those born to illegal aliens, unless one parent is a citizen," in an email obtained by Phoenix CBS affiliate KPHO.
Pearce also forwarded an email from another correspondent expanding on the proposal — which he later told KPHO he didn't agree with. "If we are going to have an effect on the anchor baby racket, we need to target the mother. Call it sexist, but that's the way nature made it. Men don't drop anchor babies, illegal alien mothers do," the email said.
Pearce did tell the CBS affiliate, however, that he didn't see anything wrong with using the term "anchor baby" to refer to natural-born U.S. citizens.
Last year, 92 Congressmen sponsored a bill that would change the 14th Amendment so that children of illegal aliens born in the United States would not be granted citizenship. The bill is still in committee.
 

wkmac

Well-Known Member
Since all those guys can do all the alcohol they want on their days off, I don't see the difference. The legal definition of IMPAIRMENT would include how long it takes the drug to clear your system. By the way, if you think there are no doctors operating while doing drugs NOW, you are incredibly naive. Who owns the prescription pad? Who has the key to the drug locker? Medical personnel at all levels have far more access to drugs than any civilian.
All of the people and activities you described are happening TODAY. Under my suggestion, we would penalize people for hurting other people while impaired. And collect a lot of tax money, while reducing our prison population. Not to mention creating LEGAL jobs in the drug industry.
There's evidence that acid and pot enhance creativity. Why drive that underground?


Nicely said! Ironically I watched the 1936' gov't propaganda film "Reefer Madness" earlier tonight (always good for numerous laughs) and looking at some of the replies, seems some here buy into that propaganda nonsense. And it's not the only gov't nonsense they buy into!
 

diesel96

Well-Known Member
Looks like Deez is one of the Liberals that has not read the bill and does not understand the federal law on Illegals. This has been beat to death but sometimes the "Donkeys" have the blinders straped to tight and it cuts the circulation off to the brain.

Lets refresh:

Federal law (this is the Obama guys Deez)...under federal law cops can pull you over for no reason and demand to see your immigration papers. That is shocking Deez!!! Obama and his henchmen must be racists!!! I think the ACLU should look at Obama and all the people at ICE for being racists. How would they know who is an illegal without using racial profiling...Deez...you should lead the pack and go after the Messiah.:wink2:

AZ law (Hey Deez...these are the nice guys that want to make sure they dont hurt any illegals feelings...but actually care about American citizens) Police need probable cause to ask for your immigration papers. You still with me Deez...OK...now the AZ cop pulls you over for speeding and you cant produce a drivers license (that is the card in your wallet with a picture on it...you still with me Deez?) and you dont have insurance either (that is the paper in your glove box...ya know GEICO). Now the cop notices that your vehicle has 10 people in in but only 5 seatbelts...(that is the strap that holds you in place when your crash your car so you dont fly thru the window...you still with me Deez?)...now the cop hears everyone in the car speaking some foreign language that he does not undestand and no one understands the cops english. Now the cop has a reasonable suspicion that they might be illegal. Of course he has to call for a translator to ask them some questions and in the end to ask for their passsport, alien cards, work visa, etc. Now you do know its the law that you need to have your Green card (its actually white now) on you at all times...(ya still with me Deez??) So now since they are found to be illegal he sends them to ICE (that is the Federal guys Deez...the Obama people) who in turn dont do anything because Janet "all vets are terrorists" Napoltano does not care about the citizens of America. Kinda like you Deez and the rest of the Liberals who just dont get it that we need to secure our borders to keep our citizens safe. Instead your more concerned about the poor illegals and giving them Amnesty so the Liberals can stay in power. You still following me Deez or should we send some Illegals to your house for dinner...maybe the child molester ones or the rapists, or how about a car bomber...:wink2:

I know your ego may be hurt by what I'm about to say so I want you to know that this isn't meant as a malicious comment...But I don't live my life around the PC waiting to respond to your posts. You following my Lue ?

My Right Wing friends, with all this focus on Klein bashing, Mexican bashing, Obama, Pelosi, Gore, Frank and the ACLU bashing, I have been spending less time on this site. Why am I not surprised the moral Conservative compass shines so bright, it mostly appeals to the White. Lets rehash the focus of attention here, lets keep the heels of your moral, patriotic, good Christian, corperate boot on the throats of Hispanics (lations), Blacks, Women, conservationists, gays, Civil rights Attny's, (and yes, even Canadians) wonder why they run (not walk) away from the GOP recruitor. Then when you finally do find a Conservative minority, you hook a leash on them and show them off like a new puppy...so taboo

As to your post. You offered no evidence that the Arizona law is softer than federal law.
Now the difference between the AZ law and the federal law is, the AZ law is a softer version of the same thing? AGAIN, WHY IS THE AZ LAW NECESSARY THEN?

It should be beyond obvious to you already that if AZ just nerfs the AZ law and does what they intend to do in the first place, this partisan game of nothing more than blame and ugly rhetoric wouldn't even be happening in the first place. Draconian? No, try realistic, effective, and solution-oriented.


On the factual side the part that bothers me the most about the Arizona law is the 'lawful contact' portion. That's a lot of latitude to give the police for asking you to provide proof of citizenship. I look at laws on how I would want them applied to me. I would imagine that most conservatives would agree with me that I don't feel like I should have to offer proof of citizenship if I am a victim of a crime.

And if there is no profiling going on then the police have to apply the same standards to everyone. That means everyone they have a 'lawful contact' with should be asked for proof of citizenship. This effectively means that the police can ask you for your papers at any time.

Despite your ramblings denying reality most americans agree with the arizona laws and do not think they are racist or profiling. How do you reconcile the point that you are so out of touch with reality?

Yeah, well providing women and blacks equal rights were not popular as well. Look how out of touch America looked back then. I wonder if it wasn't fought by Progression, and we left it up the knucle-dragging Mccarthy-like goons, would women still be in the kitchen bare foot and pregnaut and would blacks still be segregrated....

Looks like this thread has gotten a lot of action. Perhaps our liberal friends here can recommend some other more effective means of controlling illegal immigration then this law they oppose?


Sure, close a bunch of military bases overseas, and relocate some of our personal on the border. Leaglize, regulate, tax pot and maybe even cocaine eventually. Arrest business owners with jailtime if they knowingly hire illegals. Reduce gun running by appling tougher regulations and stiffer background checks at Gun Shows. If a Business/Corperation unpatriotically decides to snub American workers and send jobs and services across the pond, at least send them south of the border....just a few suggestions.....what do you suggest Tie, 1940's version of a Japanese round up ??? Are you sure Reagan is a bigger hero to you than McCarthy ???


So you would not mind a doctor who smokes crack and snorts coke on his days off doing brain or heart surgery on you or your childern? How about a pilot doing meth are LSD on his days off? Maybe the aircraft mechanic dropping some acid and doing shrooms on his day off? How about cops and EMTs doing drugs on their days off? What about our Military men and woman on their days off?

Maybe this is who you want teaching your kids: http://www.facesofmeth.us/main.htm

So you didn't mind a dumb sober Texan, and a trigger happy VP sending our youth into a meatgrinder in a Desert full of imaginary WMD's ??....
Maybe it's time for a "pothead" for President, couldn't be worse than having GOP's at the helm l
 
I know your ego may be hurt by what I'm about to say so I want you to know that this isn't meant as a malicious comment...But I don't live my life around the PC waiting to respond to your posts. You following my Lue ?
No reply needed.
My Right Wing friends, with all this focus on Klein bashing, Mexican bashing, Obama, Pelosi, Gore, Frank and the ACLU bashing, I have been spending less time on this site. Why am I not surprised the moral Conservative compass shines so bright, it mostly appeals to the White. Lets rehash the focus of attention here, lets keep the heels of your moral, patriotic, good Christian, corperate boot on the throats of Hispanics (lations), Blacks, Women, conservationists, gays, Civil rights Attny's, (and yes, even Canadians) wonder why they run (not walk) away from the GOP recruitor. Then when you finally do find a Conservative minority, you hook a leash on them and show them off like a new puppy...so taboo
Your hate for everything not liberal is showing and you are claiming some sort of superior moral compass for the left? HAHAHA
The more you type, the more I clearly see that you are not misguided but have no direction at all.

As to your post. You offered no evidence that the Arizona law is softer than federal law.
Now the difference between the AZ law and the federal law is, the AZ law is a softer version of the same thing? AGAIN, WHY IS THE AZ LAW NECESSARY THEN?
Read the law and the US Code....links provided earlier in this thread. The AZ is not softer, the AZ law is more restrictive than the fed law. The fed law does not require previous legal contact.

It should be beyond obvious to you already that if AZ just nerfs (not in the dictionary, don't know what you are trying so inaptly to say)the AZ law and does what they intend to do in the first place, this partisan game of nothing more than blame and ugly rhetoric wouldn't even be happening in the first place. Draconian? No, try realistic, effective, and solution-oriented.
The AZ is indeed realistic, should be effective and is solution oriented.
On the factual side the part that bothers me the most about the Arizona law is the 'lawful contact' portion. That's a lot of latitude to give the police for asking you to provide proof of citizenship. I look at laws on how I would want them applied to me. I would imagine that most conservatives would agree with me that I don't feel like I should have to offer proof of citizenship if I am a victim of a crime.
First of all, you still haven't read the law or you have failed reading comprehension ...again. If a person in legal contact with LEO has a legal ID from the list, they will never be asked for further ID or proof of status. Pretty simple, NO?

I can't speak for anyone else's experience, but when my pickup was broken into and I called the police I was asked for my ID(required for filing a report), I showed them my driver's license. If I had not had the DL, I guess they would have asked for a different form of ID, that might include some sort of citizenship proof if others were not available. I didn't mind, would you have?


And if there is no profiling going on then the police have to apply the same standards to everyone. That means everyone they have a 'lawful contact' with should be asked for proof of citizenship.
Again, read the law before you go making assumptions, if the have legal contact with a Lilly white , blue eyed, blond haired individual with no ID, they will more than likely be asked for proof of ID including status.This effectively means that the police can ask you for your papers at any time. Under the US Code for immigration, this is already the situation. Previous legal contact is not required.



Yeah, well providing women and blacks equal rights were not popular as well. Look how out of touch America looked back then. I wonder if it wasn't fought by Progression, and we left it up the knucle-dragging Mccarthy-like goons, would women still be in the kitchen bare foot and pregnaut and would blacks still be segregrated....

I beg to differ,(example) the Constitution would not have been amended in favor of civil rights if it was not "popular" enough. The majority of the opposition to civil rights laws were regional.




Sure, close a bunch of military bases overseas, and relocate some of our personal on the border. Leaglize, regulate, tax pot and maybe even cocaine eventually. Arrest business owners with jailtime if they knowingly hire illegals. Reduce gun running by appling tougher regulations and stiffer background checks at Gun Shows. If a Business/Corperation unpatriotically decides to snub American workers and send jobs and services across the pond, at least send them south of the border....just a few suggestions.....what do you suggest Tie, 1940's version of a Japanese round up ??? Are you sure Reagan is a bigger hero to you than McCarthy ???
You've GOT to be kidding, you want to legalize a highly addictive and destructive drug as cocaine? Really?
Some of the ideas you mentioned are not all that bad. I would go for stricter controls on business owners that hire illegals. (BTW AZ has recently enacted such a law) I haven't been to a gun show lately (have you?)but the last one I did attend I had to show an ID and fill out papers to purchase a shotgun.
I can't speak for Tie, but I didn't see anything in any of his posts to warrant you're asinine take on what he might suggest.

So you didn't mind a dumb sober Texan, and a trigger happy VP sending our youth into a meatgrinder in a Desert full of imaginary WMD's ??....
Maybe it's time for a "pothead" for President, couldn't be worse than having GOP's at the helm l
Because I fully support you're right to your opinion, I reserve the same right for myself.
INHO, people like you are a large part of the problem in the USA, are you sure you are an American?
You sure seem to be more than willing to give the country to anyone that wants it.
 
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Uh, that's my point, see? Oxycontin and other pain killers are only legal by prescription for a medical problem. You should be able to buy all you want, at the state drug store. I say, legalize any and all drugs, sell them in state controlled stores, tax them, and use the money for treating those people who can't control their addictions. There'll be plenty of money left over for the general fund. Think of the billions and billions of dollars we have wasted over the last 35 years on a bogus war on drugs! Think of how many people we have in prison, getting fat off tax money, for minor drug offenses.
As long as there are laws to slam people who drive, or pilot airplanes, or anything else it is illegal to do while impaired by, you know, alcohol? I don't care what people put in their mouths/noses/other orifices. Stop wasting tax money on a failed policy, and supporting the cartels.

You said it yourself....SPACE CADET!!!
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
So you didn't mind a dumb sober Texan, and a trigger happy VP sending our youth into a meatgrinder in a Desert full of imaginary WMD's ??....
Maybe it's time for a "pothead" for President, couldn't be worse than having GOP's at the helm l

Report: American Soldiers in Afghanistan Ordered to Patrol With Their Weapons Unloaded…


(Human Events)- Commanders have ordered a U.S. military unit in Afghanistan to patrol with unloaded weapons, according to a source in Afghanistan.
“The idea that any combat unit would conduct any operation, including patrolling and even manning a security post—in which direct action may or may not take place—and not having weapons loaded, borders on being criminally negligent in my opinion,”
says Lt. Col. W. Thomas Smith Jr., a recognized expert on terrorism and military issues. “This is nothing more than infusing politically correct restrictions into already overly restrictive rules of engagement. And this PC nonsense is going to get people killed.”
 

dilligaf

IN VINO VERITAS
So you would not mind a doctor who smokes crack and snorts coke on his days off doing brain or heart surgery on you or your childern? How about a pilot doing meth are LSD on his days off? Maybe the aircraft mechanic dropping some acid and doing shrooms on his day off? How about cops and EMTs doing drugs on their days off? What about our Military men and woman on their days off?

Maybe this is who you want teaching your kids: http://www.facesofmeth.us/main.htm

And What about those hundreds of thousands of truck drivers that are on the road 7 days a week, 365 days a year. All they have to have off at the end of their 70 hrs is 30 to go back on the road. Not even 48 hrs. They would be 80,000 lb time bombs waiting to go off. No thanks, TechG. That is about the stupidest idea I have heard. Let's make crack legal, let's make addiction to dangerous drugs legal. Alcohol is bad enough, we don't need anymore legalized addictions.
 

dilligaf

IN VINO VERITAS
Since all those guys can do all the alcohol they want on their days off, I don't see the difference. The legal definition of IMPAIRMENT would include how long it takes the drug to clear your system. By the way, if you think there are no doctors operating while doing drugs NOW, you are incredibly naive. Who owns the prescription pad? Who has the key to the drug locker? Medical personnel at all levels have far more access to drugs than any civilian.
All of the people and activities you described are happening TODAY. Under my suggestion, we would penalize people for hurting other people while impaired. And collect a lot of tax money, while reducing our prison population. Not to mention creating LEGAL jobs in the drug industry.
There's evidence that acid and pot enhance creativity. Why drive that underground?
Are you blonde? You gotta be blonde or smoking that which you want legalized. :knockedout: (no offense to those blondes that are actually intelligent)
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
A guy deported 9 times commits rape.......That's where we need tight borders. This guy slipped through the cracks 9 times!!! Sorry, couldn't find the news story right now, just heard it.
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
A guy deported 9 times commits rape.......That's where we need tight borders. This guy slipped through the cracks 9 times!!! Sorry, couldn't find the news story right now, just heard it.
So you are now ready for comprehensive immigration reform? The president will be happy to hear that.
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
I'm ready to close the borders and only people who go through the citizenship hoops will be allowed to enter. The president is not ready to address immigration. He was gonna do it in his first year, but he lied. Now he's gonna be busy trying to justify why Janet and Eric still have a job and also fighting innuendo as to who tried to bribe Sestak. Corruption takes up a lot of one's time !!!!:dissapointed:
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
Ah. You are ready to do what you have always wanted done. Sorry. It's gonna take give and take from both sides to get this one done.
 
Ah. You are ready to do what you have always wanted done. Sorry. It's gonna take give and take from both sides to get this one done.
Not really, all it will take is for the federal government to do their jobs by enforcing laws already passed but ignored.
 

Lue C Fur

Evil member
I know your ego (there you go talking about Obama again) may be hurt by what I'm about to say so I want you to know that this isn't meant as a malicious comment...But I don't live my life around the PC waiting to respond to your posts. You following my Lue ?
If i was following you i would be attached to Obamas leg so im not going there...you keep enjoying it though im sure he likes it.
My Right Wing friends, with all this focus on Klein bashing, (he likes it) Mexican bashing, (here comes the liberal mantra) Obama, Pelosi, Gore, Frank and the ACLU bashing, (well the do all suck dont they) I have been spending less time on this site. So your embarassed of what your Messiah has done...i understand...it will be over in a few years and you can come out from under the rock) Why am I not surprised the moral Conservative compass shines so bright, it mostly appeals to the White. (Here it comes...) Lets rehash the focus of attention here, lets keep the heels of your moral, patriotic, good Christian, corperate boot on the throats of Hispanics (lations), Blacks, Women, conservationists, gays, Civil rights Attny's, (and the it is...yes its the Liberal Manta...the race card...(and yes, even Canadians) (just Klein...cause he likes it) wonder why they run (not walk) away from the GOP recruitor. Then when you finally do find a Conservative minority, you hook a leash on them and show them off like a new puppy...so taboo
Who doesnt like a puppy...look at your new puppy named Barry... he needs to be potty trained...its over a year and he is still pooping all over the constution and the American people and Pissing all the money away.

As to your post. You offered no evidence that the Arizona law is softer than federal law.
Admit it...your reading comprehension skills are lacking.
Now the difference between the AZ law and the federal law is, the AZ law is a softer version of the same thing? AGAIN, WHY IS THE AZ LAW NECESSARY THEN?
Federal govt is not doing their job...DUH!!!
It should be beyond obvious to you already that if AZ just nerfs the AZ law and does what they intend to do in the first place, this partisan game of nothing more than blame and ugly rhetoric wouldn't even be happening in the first place. Draconian? No, try realistic, effective, and solution-oriented.
I guess your right...the majority of Americans are wrong...oh i forgotyour still under a rock...sorry.

On the factual side the part that bothers me the most about the Arizona law is the 'lawful contact' portion. (Remember...Federal law requires no reason to ask for proof...ooops...i forgot...the rock....)That's a lot of latitude to give the police for asking you to provide proof of citizenship. (dont want to offend and terrorists or lawbreakers...ooops...sorry...the rock again) I look at laws on how I would want them applied to me. I would imagine (maybe thats the problem...you IMAGINE to much...there is a reality ya know...take a look around...its not all Obama and Pelosi pixie dust and fariys) that most conservatives would agree with me that I don't feel like I should have to offer proof of citizenship if I am a victim of a crime.

And if there is no profiling going on then the police have to apply the same standards to everyone. That means everyone they have a 'lawful contact' with should be asked for proof of citizenship. This effectively means that the police can ask you for your papers at any time. Just like the Feds can do without any suspicion...ooops...i forgot again...the rock is heavy)

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klein

Für Meno :)
Like I said before, the big outcome will happen next winter. It's a wait and see game for the Canadian snowbirds in Arizona.
Just 2 years ago, we could travel to the US with only a driver's licence.
Now, it's a passport. But, just not for the border, but to also keep it on you at all times.

Alberta could never do such a law, with over 100.000 of Americans living in Calgary alone. With every single traffic ticket, they would basically be arrested, if they don't have thier passport by their side.
I never carried my passport in Florida, not to the beach, not anywhere. It's my big ticket home, not the silly airplane ticket, that can be replaced or even reprinted.

Next winter will prove if Arizona did the right move or not. But, I do bet, 10 or 20% of Canadians won't be returning.
And they are just there, to spend good tourist money.
Oh well, California and Florida could use those dollars instead :)
 

Lue C Fur

Evil member
Like I said before, the big outcome will happen next winter. It's a wait and see game for the Canadian snowbirds in Arizona.
Just 2 years ago, we could travel to the US with only a driver's licence.
Now, it's a passport. But, just not for the border, but to also keep it on you at all times.

Alberta could never do such a law, with over 100.000 of Americans living in Calgary alone. With every single traffic ticket, they would basically be arrested, if they don't have thier passport by their side.
I never carried my passport in Florida, not to the beach, not anywhere. It's my big ticket home, not the silly airplane ticket, that can be replaced or even reprinted.

Next winter will prove if Arizona did the right move or not. But, I do bet, 10 or 20% of Canadians won't be returning.
And they are just there, to spend good tourist money.
Oh well, California and Florida could use those dollars instead :)

Hey everyone...look its Klein talking about himself and Canada again...what a shock!!!!
 
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