On the rest of the post, I was incorrect in saying you had added the "in the USA" my apologies for that. I misread the quote from your post, my concentration was broken up. But that doesn't change what it says. The definition is quite clear that race and ethnicity are pretty much the same thing. and that was my point. And now you know the difference between Nationality and Race for law purposes. Good.
I still do not agree that the author of the law is as important as what the law says. The motivation for the law is obvious, it is an attempt to curtail illegal immigrants in the State of Az. No one has questioned it is to curtail illegal immigrants. But, we have been debating as how it does, and the possible violations around it.
The law creating more problems than it solves is an opinion not fact,You think boycotting a state is not a problem? They’ve been implementing this law without it being official, but will it be legal to target a certain group of people now that they signed it? in time we will see. The SCotUS will (hopefully) decide on the constitutionality of this law. If they hear the case and rule as unconstitutional, I predict it will not be on the grounds of racism in the application of the law. Again, we will see. You have doubts that it might be unconstitutional. What do you think might be the problem? That the execution of immigration laws are a Federal issue? Or what do you think it could lead SB1070 to be an unconstitutional bill?
If I have to support the UN to get a free meal anywhere, I'll go hungry that night. There are other ways to find out what the laws are of other countries, what my rights are there and what hoops I have to jump through to be there.I didn’t say you have to support the UN to know what rights you could have in other countries. You might learn what rights you could have when visiting other countries by other means. But, they might have been implemented by the UN and you never know. The thing is to care what’s around your world. You can even learn something from what one could think are absurd organizations or people; I have learned things even from you, Texan.
[FONT="]Because [FONT="]“Discrimination against illegals from Mexico is not racism[/FONT][/FONT][FONT="].” is an absurd thought. But the debate for your new sentence is still open in this thread. [/FONT]
As I said before, I don't feel discrimination is right even though it is not always based on race, but can be on several other aspects.Good you see this now. The properly worded sentence is based on what I have read in SB1070. The law does not allow for profiling, i.e. pulling over someone because they appear to be of a specific race. The law does not allow the asking for proof of nationality(after the initial stop)What’s a public offense for you, Texan? if the subject has proper ID.
It would be naive to believe that no profiling will occur(it already exists), there are bad apples in every barrel.Yes, and some of the other ones had filed law suits against SB1070 because they understand how this law opens more of that profiling you just mentioned. That is an issue that will have to be addressed under the law as well. I do believe that the vast majority of law enforcement officers are fair and just in the way they conduct their jobs.That sounds pretty, but it’s romanticism, Cowboy. We don't run by romanticism ideas. That's why we need good laws. Is the Sheriff included, by the way?
I don't believe our Bill of Rights will be officially violated by the application of SB1070. Have they been violated before, I mean not officially or legally? We will see.I hope we won’t.
I’m wondering if your point is that SB1070 will stop officers from targeting a certain group of people because of their color, looks, accent, etc. Because without the law, that’s what they’ve been doing. I wonder if you’re that naïve to believe that his law will stop them now from doing such things, or may be this law will make it legal to target certain people.
question, of course they have been violated both officially and legally. However not by SB1070.
.....I think I've contributed all I can pertaining to this thread, I'll accept whatever the courts declare, however that may take a long time. Somehow this thread evolved to baseball jabber and re-gained my attention. BTW...there's alot of Latin ball players in MLB, the minors, state, and grapefruit leagues . Hopefully, Az authorities won't delay the attendance and participation of any brown looking ball players going to work....
