Arizona's anti-imigration law...

[klein]

One question....is she here legally ?? If the answer is no, then she's a criminal and should be deported.

The answer is NO ! But where do you draw the line ? Splitting up familes, esspecially military families ? Criminal ? After 20 years, is there a law of limiitation by then , or should there be one ?
Like Obama said in his speech, you just can't round up all 11 million of them and deport them.
He is seeking amnesty for most of them, make them pay a fine, get thier legal papers, and learn english if they need to.

Put a new law in place, that will stop the flow of any new commers, too.
But, said that law will not pass without republican votes, and since everything these days is about politics, he doubts republicans will vote for it, even though it was mosty drafted by McCain, just within the last 2 years.

 

[moreluck]

Splitting up families doesn't have to happen.....she can take her kids with her. Yes, you can deport all those people and have them take the proper steps to citizenship. If not, it's not fair to all the people doing it the right way.

Here's the pres.'s speech, just full of political rhetoric and no SPECIFICS as usual...
Subject: Immigration Speech


http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/07/01/Text-of-Obama-immigration-speech/UPI-17841278008019/

PS. it was the woman who joined the military!

 

[klein]

Thats a different story then. I'm sure there are plenty of latinos in the US wars, doing services.

And sure, with the experience they got from the US military, I'm sure they can go to the mexican one, or the police there.
Just hope the army, navy, or airforce, let them leave the contract they signed.
Family is much more important, then defending a country that doesn't want you there.

 

[KingofBrown]

Illegal Immigrants joining the Army has been a practice from a long time. Not one that I agree to, I have to specify that. Some people have their ceremonies and become legal residents; some are deported. But, why until now, is this questioned? And don’t you think that a person giving his/her life for this country deserves at least legal residence? I’m not saying that the military is right in this type of recruitment, but if you have allowed the military of such process, don’t you think at least that the illegal immigrants recruited deserve some type of legal status?

http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/3271/illegal_immigrants_uncle_sam_wants_you/

 

[moreluck]

Maybe the costs to us have become too great. They bleed the resources that we need for the citizens. Gov't give outs were not designed for illegal immigrants!! I'm tired of being taxed to death to pay for someone who doesn't even belong here and is being criminal by being here.

 

[KingofBrown]

You didn't answer my specific question. But, I'd like to read where you're getting your facts of the costs of illegal immigrants. Because most of the statistics people claim about the bleeding of resources from illegal immigrants come from FAIR, and to me those statistics don't have any credibility. It'd be nice to see official ones. And if that'd be the way, you won't like the fact that illegal immigration apporting to the economy goes not to the billions but trillions. I don't know if you know that people pay taxes on every purchase they make, and that most illegal immigrants pay taxes to the federal and state government, and they never claim them back. Those are a few facts. Oh and don't say I support illegal immigration, because I'm against it.

Maybe the costs to us have become too great. They bleed the resources that we need for the citizens. Gov't give outs were not designed for illegal immigrants!! I'm tired of being taxed to death to pay for someone who doesn't even belong here and is being criminal by being here.

 

[klein]

Taxed to death ? Ask DS, how things in Ontario have changed as of today. Almost everything up by 13%.
A $20 dollar haircut is now $22.60.
Gasoline up by 13%, so are cigarettes, airline and other travel tickets.
Even buying a home, to paying the Utility bills, phone, cable, internet... everything !

The UK also raised thier Vat tax, I believe by a whopping 5%. Almost the first thing the new British PM did !
The Brits aren't complaining though - they know they need to pay off the debt.
Haven't heard any major complaints in Ontario, either.
British Columbia, however, is still fighting it, collecting signatures on petitions.

But, thats life, you borrow, you need to pay it back (except if your in America)....... but sooner or later it will hit there pretty good and hard !

 

[moreluck]

That's why supporting people who don't belong here is pulling us down. It's not that Americans are not charitable.......todays figures.....twice as charitable as Canada and 10 times as charitable as France.

 

[moreluck]

"but said the government should be held accountable for its responsibility to secure the border."

Finally, something I agree with Obama. Let's try him now for not doing his duty!!

 

[KingofBrown]

Well, it seems no one in favor of the “Reasonable Suspicion” wanted to discuss the first aspect. So, another aspect of the law is the citizen or agency suit provision. What this does is that it orders Local Law Enforcement agencies what cases they will prosecute to the full. We all know that Local Law Agencies have limited resources, and that they have to choose wisely where they’ll focus their resources at, depending on their circumstances and crimes. But, if SB1070 goes in effect on July 29, law agencies will have to focus their attention and resources on illegal immigration to the full extent of resources, if they don’t want to lose more money on lawsuits. There will be more attention on a class 2 misdemeanor (Which will be on July 29) than to a felony. So my question is, how in the world do you guys think that SB1070 will help fight drug smuggling and other types of felonies and violent crimes? Oh, I forgot you guys think that the 20 million illegal immigrants, or the 500,000 or 1 million in Arizona, are all felons.

And it’s also strange that all the attorney fees and court costs will be refunded to the person or agency that wins the case. Man, money money. Money is power. Yes, they will be using people’s TAXES to reward a person or agency (like FAIR) for suing Local Law Agencies or even people. And can someone in a border state (doesn’t matter if it’s to Mexico or Canada) or someone in the East or West Coast or even in Hawaii or Puerto Rico or Alaska, could you please explain to me the appearance of this “Gang and Immigration Intelligence Team Enforcement Mission Fund?” I’d love to hear more about it. And please don’t say I’m using the “Tax Card.”

 

[KingofBrown]

G. H. A person who is a legal resident of this state may bring an action in superior court to challenge any official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state that adopts or implements a policy or practice that limits or restricts the enforcement of federal immigration laws, including 8 United States Code sections 1373 and 1644, to less than the full extent permitted by federal law. If there is a judicial finding that an entity has violated this section, the court shall order that the entity pay a civil penalty of not less than one thousand five hundred dollars and not more than five thousand dollars for each day that the policy has remained in effect after the filing of an action pursuant to this subsection.

I. J. The court may award court costs and reasonable attorney fees to any person or any official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state that prevails by an adjudication on the merits in a proceeding brought pursuant to this section.

 

[KingofBrown]

Yes, and lets try George Bush, and Bush Jr.; Clinton, and Carter. And lets resuscitate Ronald Reagan to give him a trial, too...

"but said the government should be held accountable for its responsibility to secure the border."

Finally, something I agree with Obama. Let's try him now for not doing his duty!!

 

[tieguy]

I think king should set up an office about 5 miles from the mexican border and argue his points. Assuming he lives long enough to do so.

 

[KingofBrown]

Nah, we got browncafe. We all can give our points and debate what we want, or just ignore what we can’t.

I think king should set up an office about 5 miles from the mexican border and argue his points. Assuming he lives long enough to do so.

 

[klein]

I would go back to Mexico in a minute. But no flight deals heading there now. They are awesome friendly people, and once you try to commuicate with them, they open their hearts to you.

I should get an e-mail from my travel agent tomorrow, hoping to go to Cuba for cheap next Saturday. What the heck, they speak spanish, too

 

[moreluck]

Mexico's flooded right now !

 

[Babagounj]

Obama admitted today that he can NOT uphold the singular purpose for which his office, in fact the purpose for which this government was established as prescribed in the preamble of our beloved Constitution:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
If Obama can NOT secure our borders then there is no “common defence“.
If Obama can NOT secure our borders then there is no “Union“.
If Obama can NOT secure our borders then there is no “Liberty“
If Obama can NOT secure our borders then there is no “America“!

One Old Veteran​

 

[klein]

Mexico's flooded right now !

Just part of the east side, not where I would want to go, but with my luck, hurricane Barry, or whatever the next name is in the Alphabet, might hit Cuba ! LOL

 

[Babagounj]

Judge lets Mexico have voice in lawsuit challenging Arizona immigration enforcement law

PHOENIX – Mexico gets to have a say in one of the lawsuits challenging Arizona’s immigration enforcement law.
A federal judge on Thursday granted Mexico’s request to be allowed to file a legal brief supporting the challenge. That means the judge will consider the brief Mexico submitted previously.
Mexico says it wants to defend its citizens’ rights and that the law would lead to racial profiling and hinder trade and tourism. It also says the law would hinder work against drug trafficking and related violence.
The law’s provisions include a requirement that police enforcing another law ask people about their immigration status if there’s a “reasonable suspicion” they’re in the country illegally.
The law takes effect July 29 unless blocked by a court.

 

[Babagounj]

Phoenix police union wants to fight for Ariz. law

PHOENIX (AP) – A union representing 2,400 Phoenix police officers wants to become a defendant in a lawsuit challenging Arizona’s new immigration enforcement law in order to defend it.
The Phoenix Law Enforcement Association on Thursday asked a federal judge for permission to intervene in the case.
The union says police will be helped by the law by having the ability to identify and remove illegal immigrants. On the other hand, the union says blocking implementation would mean officers face “a heightened risk of death or serious injury caused by illegal aliens.”
The law’s numerous provisions include a requirement that police enforcing another law ask people about their immigrant status if there’s a reasonable basis to believe they’re in the country illegally.
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