Arizona's anti-imigration law...

[moreluck]

If you commit a felony, you are a FELON no matter what your immigration status is.

 

[KingofBrown]

Of course. Good point.

If you commit a felony, you are a FELON no matter what your immigration status is.

 

[KingofBrown]

"The Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency expects to deport about 400,000 people this fiscal year, nearly 10 percent above the Bush administration's 2008 total and 25 percent more than were deported in 2007. The pace of company audits has roughly quadrupled since President George W. Bush's final year in office." -Washington Post

Hey, Obama is enforcing Immigration Laws more than Bush Jr. and this argument "that the Federal Government isn't enforcing immigration laws" has been more argued than ever before. Is this argument just a political one?

 

[trplnkl]

Basically, and don't be surprised, Illegal Aliens are covered by our precious "Bill of Rights," among others depending on the state. And now that you cited the "another crime" the 5th Amendment would answer that question. I mean not that they lost, but that they are covered by that Amendment too. Your statement was like "Illegal Aliens don't have rights. What could have they lost?"

I didn't say that illegal aliens had no rights, nor did I imply that they had no rights.
Well, let us say that a person is seen driving on a public road, @ night, without lights. A minor violation of the law, but a violation none the less. The LEO pulls them over to issue a citation and the driver has no DL or ID of any kind. During the attempted conversation with the individual the officer becomes aware that the driver also does not speak or seem to understand english. During this otherwise routine stop, the officer tries to communicate with the driver without any appropriate responses. The officer then arrests the driver for driving in a manner that endangers life an property of others. When they arrive at the station house, the driver continues to be non communicative and is booked for impeding an investigation. While the driver is now jailed pending appearance before a judge, the LEO begins an investigation concerning the individual's status.

Where has the Constitution been violated?
How would you apply the 5th amendment to that situation?

 

[KingofBrown]

I mean not that they lost, but that they are covered by that Amendment too. Your statement was like "Illegal Aliens don't have rights. What could have they lost?"

Now, tell me. What’s the part you don’t understand in English? Where did I say that if an Illegal Immigrant is arrested they violate the 5th Amendment.

I didn't say that illegal aliens had no rights, nor did I imply that they had no rights.
Well, let us say that a person is seen driving on a public road, @ night, without lights. A minor violation of the law, but a violation none the less. The LEO pulls them over to issue a citation and the driver has no DL or ID of any kind. During the attempted conversation with the individual the officer becomes aware that the driver also does not speak or seem to understand english. During this otherwise routine stop, the officer tries to communicate with the driver without any appropriate responses. The officer then arrests the driver for driving in a manner that endangers life an property of others. When they arrive at the station house, the driver continues to be non communicative and is booked for impeding an investigation. While the driver is now jailed pending appearance before a judge, the LEO begins an investigation concerning the individual's status.

Where has the Constitution been violated?
How would you apply the 5th amendment to that situation?

 

[moreluck]

The key word is "expects" to deport. Until it's a reportable deportation number, then it's not true!!

 

[trplnkl]

"The Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency expects to deport about 400,000 people this fiscal year, nearly 10 percent above the Bush administration's 2008 total and 25 percent more than were deported in 2007. The pace of company audits has roughly quadrupled since President George W. Bush's final year in office." -Washington Post

Hey, Obama is enforcing Immigration Laws more than Bush Jr. and this argument "that the Federal Government isn't enforcing immigration laws" has been more argued than ever before. Is this argument just a political one?

It may be just a political one for you, but it isn't for me. I have said many times that I thought Bush was just as bad at border security than Obama. Bush also tried to get amnesty off the ground as well, I didn't like that either. Why not bring in Clinton as well, another failure at national security concerning the borders.
Predictions are, pretty much on the same level as polls, worthless until followed through with.

 

[KingofBrown]

I have told you since my first or second post on this thread, that you and your buddies make this issue a political one, and debate accordingly. Don't try to kind youself, and try to invert it to me.

It may be just a political one for you, but it isn't for me. I have said many times that I thought Bush was just as bad at border security than Obama. Bush also tried to get amnesty off the ground as well, I didn't like that either. Why not bring in Clinton as well, another failure at national security concerning the borders.
Predictions are, pretty much on the same level as polls, worthless until followed through with.

 

[trplnkl]

Now, tell me. What’s the part you don’t understand in English? Where did I say that if an Illegal Immigrant is arrested they violate the 5th Amendment.

you said:
Basically, and don't be surprised, Illegal Aliens are covered by our precious "Bill of Rights," among others depending on the state. And now that you cited the "another crime" the 5th Amendment would answer that question. I mean not that they lost, but that they are covered by that Amendment too. Your statement was like "Illegal Aliens don't have rights. What could have they lost?"

I'm not sure which version of english you are referring too, but I'll play your little game until I get bored with it again.
The letters in red are what I was commenting on. I asked how you would apply the 5th amendment to a scenario that would include another crime.
Maybe you lost something when translating in your head, but I never say illegals have no rights. I do think that they do not have the right to NOT have their legal/illegal status verified.

 

[KingofBrown]

When does a Fiscal Year start and end? I believe their statistics are more relevant and credible than FAIR's.

The key word is "expects" to deport. Until it's a reportable deportation number, then it's not true!!

 

[KingofBrown]

I don't know what type of Reading Classes you took. Where did I say they violate the 5th Amendment?

you said:
Basically, and don't be surprised, Illegal Aliens are covered by our precious "Bill of Rights," among others depending on the state. And now that you cited the "another crime" the 5th Amendment would answer that question. I mean not that they lost, but that they are covered by that Amendment too. Your statement was like "Illegal Aliens don't have rights. What could have they lost?"

I'm not sure which version of english you are referring too, but I'll play your little game until I get bored with it again.
The letters in red are what I was commenting on. I asked how you would apply the 5th amendment to a scenario that would include another crime.
Maybe you lost something when translating in your head, but I never say illegals have no rights. I do think that they do not have the right to NOT have their legal/illegal status verified.

 

[trplnkl]

I have told you since my first or second post on this thread, that you and your buddies make this issue a political one, and debate accordingly. Don't try to kind youself, and try to invert it to me.

LMAO, yea, you have told me that however that doesn't make you correct. You may believe that your opinion trumps everyone else but it just aint so.

Oh and BTW, I am fully aware that my opinion is not the end statement of all that is and have never said that it was.

 

[trplnkl]

I don't know what type of Reading Classes you took. Where did I say they violate the 5th Amendment?

What the hell is you point???? All I want to know is HOW WOULD YOU APPLY THE 5TH AMENDMENT to the scenario I stated.....

 

[KingofBrown]

Good you made that clear, because you expose another perception in your writing.

LMAO, yea, you have told me that however that doesn't make you correct. You may believe that your opinion trumps everyone else but it just aint so.

Oh and BTW, I am fully aware that my opinion is not the end statement of all that is and have never said that it was.

 

[KingofBrown]

Go back and read my first statement regarding this, a few times.

And when you understand the point of that post, tell me where the heck did I say they violate the 5th Amendment when arresting an illegal?

What the hell is you point???? All I want to know is HOW WOULD YOU APPLY THE 5TH AMENDMENT to the scenario I stated.....

 

[KingofBrown]

Now, that you had made such a big deal out of this at least let's make something out of it. Do you agree that Illegal Aliens are covered by the 5th Amendment?

What the hell is you point???? All I want to know is HOW WOULD YOU APPLY THE 5TH AMENDMENT to the scenario I stated.....

 

[Babagounj]

Illegals leaving Arizona for sanctuary cities bring contagious diseases with them Martha R Gore,

As long ago as in 2005, Arizona hospitals and doctors were worrying about the resurgence of some serious infectious diseases being brought to the United States by illegal immigrants from Mexico. In 2010, if anything, it seems to be getting worse as illegals travel to sanctuary cities and the diseases spread among those populations.
This should worry sanctuary cities who may soon find an increase of diseases such as:
• Whooping cough
• Tuberculosis
• Malaria
• Measles
• Leprosy
• Hepatitis A, B and C
As the approximately 450,000 illegals begin migrating away from Arizona because of the passage of SB 1070, which may go into effect on July 29, 2010, they will seek out the sanctuary cities that more welcoming to them. The effect will be felt in hospitals and health care systems, many of whom are already financially burdened.
Diseases, such as tuberculosis (TB) is easily spread by coughing droplets so just standing in line next to a person afflicted with the disease who is coughing could mean becoming infected with the disease.

 

[Lue C Fur]

Illegals leaving Arizona for sanctuary cities bring contagious diseases with them Martha R Gore,

As long ago as in 2005, Arizona hospitals and doctors were worrying about the resurgence of some serious infectious diseases being brought to the United States by illegal immigrants from Mexico. In 2010, if anything, it seems to be getting worse as illegals travel to sanctuary cities and the diseases spread among those populations.
This should worry sanctuary cities who may soon find an increase of diseases such as:
• Whooping cough
• Tuberculosis
• Malaria
• Measles
• Leprosy
• Hepatitis A, B and C
As the approximately 450,000 illegals begin migrating away from Arizona because of the passage of SB 1070, which may go into effect on July 29, 2010, they will seek out the sanctuary cities that more welcoming to them. The effect will be felt in hospitals and health care systems, many of whom are already financially burdened.
Diseases, such as tuberculosis (TB) is easily spread by coughing droplets so just standing in line next to a person afflicted with the disease who is coughing could mean becoming infected with the disease.

Maybe one of them will cough in Nancy Pelosi's face....ewwwwww!

 

[moreluck]

Some doctor on the news was talking about some mosquito that is now speading dengue fever in Florida...cases have gone up. He was saying illegals bring the mosquito or eggs with them in their belongings.

 

[trplnkl]

Now, that you had made such a big deal out of this at least let's make something out of it. Do you agree that Illegal Aliens are covered by the 5th Amendment?

You still have not answered my question. Try to stay focused.

From the first you have stated time after time that Illegal aliens’ rights are being violated. By that light, they are being denied (loosing) Constitutional rights.
You said:

Criminals also have rights. And as I have stated it many times, I'm against illegal immigration. But, I'm more against radical measures such as SB1070. Or do you think that a person loses his/her rights because he/she robbed a bank?

Here you are comparing illegal immigrants to bank robbers, indicating that you think rights are being lost.
I said:

Just what right have they lost if they commit another crime (except being here ILLEGALLY), arrested and have their status verified?

Here I was simply asking what rights had been lost, as you had implied above.

You said:

Basically, and don't be surprised, Illegal Aliens are covered by our precious "Bill of Rights," among others depending on the state. And now that you cited the "another crime" the 5th Amendment would answer that question. I mean not that they lost, but that they are covered by that Amendment too. Your statement was like "Illegal Aliens don't have rights. What could have they lost?"

and

Now, tell me. What’s the part you don’t understand in English? Where did I say that if an Illegal Immigrant is arrested they violate the 5th Amendment.

and

Go back and read my first statement regarding this, a few times.
And when you understand the point of that post, tell me where the heck did I say they violate the 5th Amendment when arresting an illegal?

The Bill of Rights are to protect a person's RIGHTS. When you say that the 5th Amendment answers the question, you are saying it is protecting a right. By invoking the 5th you are suggesting a right has been violated, denied, lost.
I still want to know how you would apply the 5th Amendment to the scenario that I suggested? You are the one that brought up the 5th amendment in this discussion, you have yet to state how it applies.