Atomic

[standtall]

In a RTW state, the members at local 89 would have the right to withdraw from the union for any reason. Have the international impose a contract that you have voted down would be a good reason to withdraw from a union that doesn't recognize the wants of the majority of the members of local 89.

Your dues do not just support the local. Part of your dues money gets sent to the marble palace in Washington DC to support the international.

I wouldn't be calling other people "GENIUS" if you don't even seem to be able to understand these two facts.

The majority of your dues support your LOCAL, tough guy. And let's see how withdrawal from the teamsters works out for any of us. You live in a alternate universe. For all of the union's falts, they are still the only thing that stands between you and scab wages and benefits, period. Get off your lazy ass and organize, vote , change your leadership if you don't think they represent you. RTW DESTROYS THE UNION THAT KEEPS YOUR WAGES AND BENEFITS AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL IN THE INDUSTRY. VOTE, VOTE, VOTE.

 

[standtall]

That's not what he is saying.

Can't you argue your point without making up false facts to make your point look better?

That's exactly what he said. Read it again if it will help you understand. If he says it's a good thing that this country loses union jobs in exchange for nonunion jobs as a consequence of RTW, and that's exactly what he said, he has proven what we all have suspected, he is an anti union tea partier.

 

[standtall]

Also...saying that non-RTW states are losing businesses to RTW states isn't a very good argument against the law. It simply an example of states losing out for NOT having adopted it.

Read it!!! His comment is in response to the FACT that union jobs are being lost in pro labor states and nonunion jobs are being gained in RTW states as a result of RTW legislation. He is telling everyone that trading union jobs for nonunion jobs is an acceptable result of RTW legislation. That sir, is affectionately referred to as a Freudian slip.

 

[realbrown1]

That's exactly what he said. Read it again if it will help you understand. If he says it's a good thing that this country loses union jobs in exchange for nonunion jobs as a consequence of RTW, and that's exactly what he said, he has proven what we all have suspected, he is an anti union tea partier.

Where, exactly does he say, " RID OUR COUNTRY OF THIS PESKY UNION?"

I have read it and can't find this words or anything that inferred that.

I think you are lying about what Atomic is saying because you can't argue the facts.

 

[standtall]

In a RTW state, the members at local 89 would have the right to withdraw from the union for any reason. Have the international impose a contract that you have voted down would be a good reason to withdraw from a union that doesn't recognize the wants of the majority of the members of local 89.

Your dues do not just support the local. Part of your dues money gets sent to the marble palace in Washington DC to support the international.

I wouldn't be calling other people "GENIUS" if you don't even seem to be able to understand these two facts.

I live in a RTW state & not one, not a single one of my coworkers has that "freeloader" attitude. But we hold that card. We know there is leverage in it. We know that our union leaders aren't going to force us into a concessionary contract like they did local 89 in non-RTW Kentucky.

You two jokesters kill me. I've known misguided union haters like you for more years than I'd like to admit. You refuse to try and squelch your disdain for the Union leadership in the manner that's at your disposal. Organize and vote. Instead, you focus your anger on a proven, union busting piece of legislation that will destroy the only thing standing between The top tier compensation you earn now, and the very mediocre compensation you'd receive without the union that you hate so much. You're a couple of lazy elitist whiners that would rather sit back and tighten there grip on your 1 1/2 hour a month dues payment instead of getting off your ass and actually being part of the solution in the form of being a "true" activist instead of being just another crybaby lazy union member. Change your dam leadership. VOTE!

 

[standtall]

Where, exactly does he say, " RID OUR COUNTRY OF THIS PESKY UNION?"

I have read it and can't find this words or anything that inferred that.

I think you are lying about what Atomic is saying because you can't argue the facts.

Yes, heaven forbid you actually read the posting that HE was commenting on. That would be ridiculous of me to expect that you should know what the he@# the conversation is about before you comment. Silly me. I'll try to expect less of you next time.

 

[standtall]

Where, exactly does he say, " RID OUR COUNTRY OF THIS PESKY UNION?"

I have read it and can't find this words or anything that inferred that.

I think you are lying about what Atomic is saying because you can't argue the facts.

I'm sure those numbers are torturous to hear for you when put into context and thrown in your face. when union work leaves one state for the sole purpose of opening a scab shop in a RTW state to avoid paying contractually negotiated wages and benefits, that is a NET LOSS OF UNION JOBS DIRECTLY CAUSED BY RTW LEGISLATION. Let me say that again in the hope that you can comprehend it, THAT IS A NET LOSS OF UNION JOBS DIRECTLY CAUSED BY RTW LEGISLATION. RTW KILLS UNION MEMBERSHIP.
I can lead you to water, but your have take it from there.


Read more: http://www.browncafe.com/community/threads/atomic.360687/page-9#ixzz3TVPyTBDl

 

[brownmonster]

Each workplace has a unique set of rules you either obey or go work someplace else. It has nothing to do with freedom to choose. Coat this pig with lipstick all you want.

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

I'm sure those numbers are torturous to hear for you when put into context and thrown in your face. when union work leaves one state for the sole purpose of opening a scab shop in a RTW state to avoid paying contractually negotiated wages and benefits, that is a NET LOSS OF UNION JOBS DIRECTLY CAUSED BY RTW LEGISLATION. Let me say that again in the hope that you can comprehend it, THAT IS A NET LOSS OF UNION JOBS DIRECTLY CAUSED BY RTW LEGISLATION. RTW KILLS UNION MEMBERSHIP.
I can lead you to water, but your have take it from there.


Read more: http://www.browncafe.com/community/threads/atomic.360687/page-9#ixzz3TVPyTBDl

Read it!!! His comment is in response to the FACT that union jobs are being lost in pro labor states and nonunion jobs are being gained in RTW states as a result of RTW legislation. He is telling everyone that trading union jobs for nonunion jobs is an acceptable result of RTW legislation. That sir, is affectionately referred to as a Freudian slip.

That's exactly what he said. Read it again if it will help you understand. If he says it's a good thing that this country loses union jobs in exchange for nonunion jobs as a consequence of RTW, and that's exactly what he said, he has proven what we all have suspected, he is an anti union tea partier.

The majority of your dues support your LOCAL, tough guy. And let's see how withdrawal from the teamsters works out for any of us. You live in a alternate universe. For all of the union's falts, they are still the only thing that stands between you and scab wages and benefits, period. Get off your lazy ass and organize, vote , change your leadership if you don't think they represent you. RTW DESTROYS THE UNION THAT KEEPS YOUR WAGES AND BENEFITS AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL IN THE INDUSTRY. VOTE, VOTE, VOTE.

So your message is, "support RTW, rid our country of this pesky union. We can all work non union and these companies will take care of us out of the goodness of there hearts." Great plan smurf!

So there we are! Now, faced with the numbers of true lost union jobs due to RTW, now you show your true tea party colors. By your own admittance, a loss of 4.1% of good union jobs that are being replaced by nonunion jobs in RTW states is just fine with you. Your a typical pawn for right wing radicals. You push RTW even when you know it causes a loss of union jobs. Thanks tea party for destroying union labor.

Smurf, there is NOTHING about your ignorant fantasies about how RTW "should" work that "hurts" me. You're full of sh#@ on the entire subject. We repeatedly prove that as you regurgitate your tea party talking points and they're shot down. Once again, your trying to make the connection between RTW and the most recent contract is hilarious. RTW DESTROYS UNION MEMBERSHIP. Your own numbers prove it. Your argument is dead.

I'm sure those numbers are torturous to hear for you when put into context and thrown in your face. when union work leaves one state for the sole purpose of opening a scab shop in a RTW state to avoid paying contractually negotiated wages and benefits, that is a NET LOSS OF UNION JOBS DIRECTLY CAUSED BY RTW LEGISLATION. Let me say that again in the hope that you can comprehend it, THAT IS A NET LOSS OF UNION JOBS DIRECTLY CAUSED BY RTW LEGISLATION. RTW KILLS UNION MEMBERSHIP.

Same pathetic miscomputation of information over & over again. It took half a dozen attempts to get you to acknowledge the numbers from the BLS were accurate. Looks like it will take as many to make you understand what they mean. A half a percent growth in union membership in RTW states can't be attributed to employers moving to other states to avoid unions, hence the statistic is measuring "Union Represented Workers". The loss of union jobs in non-RTW states isn't BECAUSE of other states adopting the law but because they DIDN'T. Much of that is due to the fact that RTW states have been able to retain jobs more effectively than non-RTW states who have seen many of their union employers simply shut down or move overseas. The new jobs we've seen come to our state since RTW aren't companies relocating to leave a bunch of union workers standing around a burning barrel but rather NEW companies that have chosen our state over others as a place to create & grow their companies (which means more jobs). Blaming job losses in non-RTW states on RTW is like blaming someone that can swim because you can't.

 

[KaiserTom]

If a bunch of people want to get together and create a cartel on their labor they should have every right to do so. Companies should also have the right to fire them too/hire non-union replacements. Companies should also have the right to make their own cartels on their products. People should also have the right to refuse to buy the product.

No law should decide any of this one way or another, especially not in the modern world where communication between everyone is at an all time high.

 

[realbrown1]

If a bunch of people want to get together and create a cartel on their labor they should have every right to do so. Companies should also have the right to fire them too/hire non-union replacements. Companies should also have the right to make their own cartels on their products. People should also have the right to refuse to buy the product.

No law should decide any of this one way or another, especially not in the modern world where communication between everyone is at an all time high.

That would lead to a nation of minimum wage workers.
The laws we have now are fine.
RTW needs to be tweaked a little.

 

[standtall]

Oooooooh smurf..... Denial, it's not just a river in Egypt.

 

[standtall]

That would lead to a nation of minimum wage workers.
The laws we have now are fine.
RTW needs to be tweaked a little.

The apocalypse must be near, I actually agree with .........You?

 

[Ron Carey lives on]

You probably won't answer Atomic. Just wondering how you feel about ( prevailing wage, ot after 8, cola, paid vacation, FMLA, NLRB, 40 hour week, raise in minimum wage, equal pay for equal work, ot on Sat, double time on Sun and holidays. Just wondering if we pulled our cards we could get these things

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[Atomic_Smurf]

You probably won't answer Atomic. Just wondering how you feel about ( prevailing wage, ot after 8, cola, paid vacation, FMLA, NLRB, 40 hour week, raise in minimum wage, equal pay for equal work, ot on Sat, double time on Sun and holidays. Just wondering if we pulled our cards we could get these things

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As a staunch supporter of workers rights I see the only thing missing from your list is RTW.

 

[Ron Carey lives on]

You are a supporter of Atomic Smurf, it obvious to all, thats it. Rtw pursuers seem to follow with an attack on prevailing wage, so on and so on. You sir or mam are in complete denial. I feel as sorry for you, as I do the people led astray by Jim Jones. You are drinking the kool aid slowly though, you are definitely not downing it, u still think u are a union member

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[ImWaitingForTheDay]

You are a supporter of Atomic Smurf, it obvious to all, thats it. Rtw pursuers seem to follow with an attack on prevailing wage, so on and so on. You sir or mam are in complete denial. I feel as sorry for you, as I do the people led astray by Jim Jones. You are drinking the kool aid slowly though, you are definitely not downing it, u still think u are a union member

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I think more of them as traitors.....

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

I think more of them as traitors.....

The traitor is in the white house, aiding & abetting our enemies. Our unions put him there.

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

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[Atomic_Smurf]

Look how happy these goons are about signing away a portion of your families health insurance earnings to be redistributed as subsidies to Obamas voter base. Earned benefits don't show up on your weekly pay stub making it an easy grab. While our union bosses were polarizing & pumping up the RTW hysteria, these crooks were legislating the demise of your families hc earnings. Working people lose when Democrats win.