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vantexan

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Can you discuss anything without referring to Obama and the Clintons?
Can you stop ignoring the 500 lb gorilla in the room? Trump is president because Obama's economy wasn't producing jobs and Hillary was more of the same, as well as being a crook. Until you face that reality your ranting about Trump winning because the Russians helped him is just living in denial.
 

newfie

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Their typical viewers will scream that they're supporting hate speech and actual word violence if they bring on the conservatives. LOL

I think they dug theirselves a hole . they thought Trump would get impeached and they could ride that train for ratings. So they blatantly sold that story knowing it would happen. Now that they have ridden that train they're looking for a way out to save face. Objectively it was a nice gamble. If Trump had gotten impeached and left office they would have ridden their ratings to the top. Meanwhile many of their viewers feel they were lied to and have stopped watching them.
 

newfie

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Can you stop ignoring the 500 lb gorilla in the room? Trump is president because Obama's economy wasn't producing jobs and Hillary was more of the same, as well as being a crook. Until you face that reality your ranting about Trump winning because the Russians helped him is just living in denial.

Hillary is the hypocrisy they cant escape. you cant commit to one of the five mob bosses and then accuse other mob bosses of being crooks.
 

floridays

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A leftward shift won’t be as much of a problem if Democratic candidates like Bernie keep going on Fox News and do a good job articulating their policy proposals to folks who would otherwise only have heard about them through a Shawn Hannity filter.
Are you taking that comedy show on the road? That was funny.
 

vantexan

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If the dems were so mad 2018 state wide elections didn't work out so well. Now the Mueller Report flopped what is the outrage. Trump derangement syndrome
We're talking about getting Trump in 2020 which they couldn't do in 2018. But they did capture the House, and they captured 40 Republican held seats. The media is going to be twisting everything Trump does right up to the election, and unless the Dems put up a far left extremist that turns off independents then Trump is going to have a tougher election than 2016.
 

Turdferguson

Just a turd
so you voted for biden in the presidential election?

you're tacking a little bit .
the point you and Itty responded to was that neither one of you were on here bad mouthing Hillary and predicting a trump victory before the election
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I can't stand Trump he is destabilizing our country internally and with our allies. He is leading us to isolationism.
He is spending all of Homeland security manpower and resources on a self inflicted "crisis"at the southern border instead of allowing it to focus on the job it was created for. Protecting the country from real external threats. He is diverting military money to his boondoggle down there. Trying his best to end our alliance with South Korea. None of our foriegn partners will trust him with intelligence because he will flap his pie hole to his Russian buddies like he did with the Israeli intelligence about laptop bombs.
You keep celebrating how awesome he is. He is a piece of trash who divides instead of unites, has zero morals, little to no self control, and only cares about self gratification. He is certainly not the first politician to have those traits, but he is the first President in my life time that I have absolutely zero respect for as a human being ,and a President.
 

bbsam

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We're talking about getting Trump in 2020 which they couldn't do in 2018. But they did capture the House, and they captured 40 Republican held seats. The media is going to be twisting everything Trump does right up to the election, and unless the Dems put up a far left extremist that turns off independents then Trump is going to have a tougher election than 2016.
I think you’re missing the point.

Trump didn’t run as a conservative. He ran, and won, as a populist. He hasn’t done much as a populist president which is evidenced by his poll numbers in the Midwest.

Can you who else is running as populists?
 

BakerMayfield2018

Fight the power.
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I can't stand Trump he is destabilizing our country internally and with our allies. He is leading us to isolationism.
He is spending all of Homeland security manpower and resources on a self inflicted "crisis"at the southern border instead of allowing it to focus on the job it was created for. Protecting the country from real external threats. He is diverting military money to his boondoggle down there. Trying his best to end our alliance with South Korea. None of our foriegn partners will trust him with intelligence because he will flap his pie hole to his Russian buddies like he did with the Israeli intelligence about laptop bombs.
You keep celebrating how awesome he is. He is a piece of trash who divides instead of unites, has zero morals, little to no self control, and only cares about self gratification. He is certainly not the first politician to have those traits, but he is the first President in my life time that I have absolutely zero respect for as a human being ,and a President.
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vantexan

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I think you’re missing the point.

Trump didn’t run as a conservative. He ran, and won, as a populist. He hasn’t done much as a populist president which is evidenced by his poll numbers in the Midwest.

Can you who else is running as populists?
Didn't say he did. He will have a very tough time winning those States he captured with his populist message this time. Why? He barely won them last time and this time a lot more Democrats will be voting with the motivation of getting rid of him.
 

bbsam

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Didn't say he did. He will have a very tough time winning those States he captured with his populist message this time. Why? He barely won them last time and this time a lot more Democrats will be voting with the motivation of getting rid of him.
Yes, but a “far left” candidate is a populist candidate and one that can pull some states that may be “toss ups”. Electorally, I don’t see a far left candidate costing the democrats any states.
 

vantexan

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Yes, but a “far left” candidate is a populist candidate and one that can pull some states that may be “toss ups”. Electorally, I don’t see a far left candidate costing the democrats any states.
If you're talking Medicare for All, and other expensive programs when we're mired in debt, you're going to scare away independents who'll want to know how it's paid for and if it will hurt the economy. Might not matter if Democrats turn out in droves and independents stay home rather than vote for Trump. But the biggest motivator right now is the sheer hatred Democrats have for Trump. If the economy does well the independents will choose Trump over government giveaways. If it doesn't...
 

bbsam

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If you're talking Medicare for All, and other expensive programs when we're mired in debt, you're going to scare away independents who'll want to know how it's paid for and if it will hurt the economy. Might not matter if Democrats turn out in droves and independents stay home rather than vote for Trump. But the biggest motivator right now is the sheer hatred Democrats have for Trump. If the economy does well the independents will choose Trump over government giveaways. If it doesn't...
I think the “Debt Boogeyman” has lost his scare. We’re in debt and nobody’s serious about getting out. Everyday Americans may as well benefit like the rich and powerful.
 

bacha29

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If you're talking Medicare for All, and other expensive programs when we're mired in debt, you're going to scare away independents who'll want to know how it's paid for and if it will hurt the economy. Might not matter if Democrats turn out in droves and independents stay home rather than vote for Trump. But the biggest motivator right now is the sheer hatred Democrats have for Trump. If the economy does well the independents will choose Trump over government giveaways. If it doesn't...
The well publicized price tag for Medicare for all is 32.2 trillion. What was not well publicized is the cost of continuing with the current health care system is 44.6 trillion. If the first phase of Medicare for all that being the placement of a Medicare managed public option on the exchanges for people 55-65 is implement you'll be right there to sign up for this "government giveaway".
 

vantexan

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The well publicized price tag for Medicare for all is 32.2 trillion. What was not well publicized is the cost of continuing with the current health care system is 44.6 trillion. If the first phase of Medicare for all that being the placement of a Medicare managed public option on the exchanges for people 55-65 is implement you'll be right there to sign up for this "government giveaway".
No, I won't.
 
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