Bush worst president ever?

[wkmac]

This guy sez Baby Bush was the worse.

Who is the worse will really depend on your political flavor but all have their bad points IMO.

 

[JimJimmyJames]

This guy sez Baby Bush was the worse.

Who is the worse will really depend on your political flavor but all have their bad points IMO.

Great article. I especially agreed with this paragraph:

The worst shame of Bush – worse than the spending, the new agencies, the torture, or the wars – is that he used so much pro-liberty and pro-free-market rhetoric in the very process of destroying those institutions. That makes his actions ten times worse than if an avowed socialist had done the same thing. People will blame the full suite of disasters Bush caused on the free market simply because Bush constantly said he believed in it.

On a personal level, Bush destroyed in me any loyalty to the Republican party. I am now firmly in the independent camp.

 

[diesel96]

The same protestors who were against the war in Vietnam are now calling for all troops out of Iraq ---HOW SAD !!!!!!
They truly believe that this is the right thing to do even after the consequences of deserting Vietnam.
I personally found it funny and very sad at the same time when TED TURNER tHIS year discussed his wanting the troops withdrawn from Vietnam --protests led by his wife Hanoi Jane. When the interviewer presented the facts that millions of innocent people lost their lives both in Vietnam and Cambodia after the U.S. left -----the super intelligent LIBERAL Turner ----responded by saying "I DID NOT KNOW THAT "
Typical Liberal !!!!!!
P.S.
On another talk show this year --Hollywood producer Oliver Stone claimed he was always a conservative until NIXON'S war in Vietnam.
Another re-write of History by the liberals ----It was the saint JFK who put the first Americans in --AND --it was the Great society LBJ --who LIED --can anyone say Bay of Tonkin --- THAT EXPANDED THE WAR !!!!!

War protesters come in all shapes and sizes with different points of views and opinions. It doesn't make them un-American or troop haters. Lumping protesters into one category and characterize them as Ted Turners and Hanoi Jane's of the world is SAD.
BTW...Oliver Stone just didn't talk Vietnam, he lived it. He was also born and raised into an affluent conservative family. But since Stone's adulterous Father divorced his Mom at 15, he wasn't around to prevent his son from the draft like many other affluent conservative parents.

----AL Q --grew and Bin Laden saw America as weak.

Can you explain why our Christian/Secular Armies are on their lands to begin with ?
Can you understand why (R)Ron Paul told the Republicans on National TV that his party was hijacked by Neo-Cons?
Does it offend you when people say blowback is a direct result of conducting interventionist policies around the world ?
Do you really think our weakness or our freedoms offends our self made enemies?

 

[island1fox]

SURE THAT MAKES ALOT OF SENSE ---OUR "FREEDOMS" CAUSED OUR ENEMIES !!!!
Real clear thinker---I wonder if he would be happier if we were in bondage ???


P.S. I did not call anyone unamerican ------simply stated what TED TURNER said -not me.
Also Liberals again like to miss the point .
Nice and clear ---OLIVER STONE -stated it was NIXON'S war --not me. Another Liberal re-writing history --Who can say JFK AND LBJ ?????

 

[tieguy]

Atleast you have proven that Iraq was no immediate threat, had no weapons of massdestruction, heck they didn't even have much conventional power, such as tanks and armed vehichles.
He couldn't even start another war with Iran, nevermind the world.

It's your money, and the lives of your soldiers.

How times have changed since world war 2.
You didn't attack Japan until they attacked you, and didn't go against Germany, until 1942, when Hitler declared war against you.(3 years after it started).

I still think it could have waited, Iraq was no threat.
If things in Iraq would have eventually gotten worse, the UN would have came to a solution or atleast Nato.
Many call the UN useless, because they didn't step in hard enough.
But, like it's been proven - he was no threat.

Everything is clear in the rear view mirror.

 

[1989]

And how many times did Saddam kick out the UN inspectors ?

It was like a broken record over and over again.

How many empty threats did he get?

 

[nervIS]

Bush went full . And thats the rest of the story.

 

[tieguy]

War protesters come in all shapes and sizes with different points of views and opinions. It doesn't make them un-American or troop haters. Lumping protesters into one category and characterize them as Ted Turners and Hanoi Jane's of the world is SAD.

Diesel I'm having a hard time keeping up with all the posting going on here. Could you show me where you also protested unionman calling conservative protestors nazi's?

 

[tieguy]

Bush went full . And thats the rest of the story.

I hope we don't have any posters here with mentally disabled kids.

 

[JimJimmyJames]

Tie, if you saw the movie Tropic Thunder you would get his reference.

With all apologies to everyone, I cracked up when I read that .

 

[tieguy]

Tie, if you saw the movie Tropic Thunder you would get his reference.

With all apologies to everyone, I cracked up when I read that .

yea I did and it was funny. And I didn't want to come across as a total prude on the joke but when I read it I had the thought that I would probably be offended if I had a kid that had mental retardation.

 

[wkmac]

War protesters come in all shapes and sizes with different points of views and opinions. It doesn't make them un-American or troop haters. Lumping protesters into one category and characterize them as Ted Turners and Hanoi Jane's of the world is SAD.
BTW...Oliver Stone just didn't talk Vietnam, he lived it. He was also born and raised into an affluent conservative family. But since Stone's adulterous Father divorced his Mom at 15, he wasn't around to prevent his son from the draft like many other affluent conservative parents.



Can you explain why our Christian/Secular Armies are on their lands to begin with ?
Can you understand why (R)Ron Paul told the Republicans on National TV that his party was hijacked by Neo-Cons?
Does it offend you when people say blowback is a direct result of conducting interventionist policies around the world ?
Do you really think our weakness or our freedoms offends our self made enemies?

At the risk of being called a liberal "AGAIN" , several nice comments there Dezzy. And even without the Ron Paul point!

Don't know if you saw this or not but I just shake my head in disgust. I look back at the Vietnam era since those were my "coming of age" years and then the Watergate thing but I can't help but think of the music of the times. When Sabbath hit the scene with songs like War Pigs, Electric Funeral, Children of the Grave it opened a door but sadly so many of us closed as the years went by.

The Vietnam war protesters at least on the war itself were correct. McNamara admitted the pretext to War in the Gulf of Tonkin was a lie and LBJ as a result of released documents now made public also knew of the lie. I don't say this to infer fault along party lines so don't get ya "blue hairs" up but just to state a historical fact in defending the Vietnam war protesters for having a just cause.

As to Ike's domino theory, it just never panned out. Not long after Vietnam unified under Ho Chi Minh, the Chinese invaded and took possession of the Paracel Islands from Vietnam which even today are under dispute. As to the Soviet Union playing a factor in Indochina, truth is, they were only there because we were as a result of the ever continuing of the infamous "Great Game" and the newer version. Ho and the early Viet Minh were purely nationalists and not in and of themselves communist. That came later.

Vietnam today is a growing global business nation and oddly enough is such because it feels it's independence and national soveignty secure among the nation of the earth. Funny how people can act free and open when they feel no one is out to harm them. Imagine that!

I wonder what Castro would have done had we never plotted to kill him or Chavez had we never gone and monkeyed in his nations affairs? I wonder what our relationship with Iran would be had we not help to overthrow Mossadegh who had made the mistake of nationalizing Iranian oil after it was learned of one sided deal the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company was doing and especially when Iran learned that Aramco (Saudi State owned Oil Company) had a 50/50 deal with the British oil interests which when Iran proposed the same, AICO turned em' down flat. Why is it that when capitalism closes out a free market and creates a monopoly, we cry foul with the consequences of those chickens come home to roost?

When one considers the lengths that FDR went to in trying to prevent Japan for accessing known oil reseves in the region at the time, one has to question Vietnam and the surrounding war theater as one looks at the area and the South China Sea. Even the Department of Energy has data on the subject area. Even the CIA observed the obvious in relation to the Paracel Islands (click on the Introduction button) at it relates again to energy.

WW1, secure the Middle East oil fields from the Ottoman empire, WW2 stop Japan and Germany from expanding, while containing Russian imperial re-emergence post Czar monarchy. Indochina Wars era, keeping region's oil potential and trade routes open for Anglo-American business interests, Gulf War 1, pretext for permenant Anglo-American military presence into the region to fight growing nationalism, 1990's NATO/Balkans intervention to maintain open Caspian Basin pipeline routes via the Black Sea, Iraq 2, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran further solidify potential pipeline routes from Caspian basin while limiting oil competition in the oil market for our Saudi friends and boosting prices and profits for all concerned. The 21st Century Great Game.

Yep, I think that about sums it up once you start digging and putting the pieces together!


C Ya Dezzy!

 

[wkmac]

I'm sure Tom Ridge's revelations in the minds of some will not help GW's place at the bottom of the bucket.

 

[klein]

How times have changed (and ofcourse Bush didn't listen to Clintons advise) :


President Clinton on Thursday projected that the nation will enjoy a $1.9 trillion budget surplus over the next decade. Increasing the pressure on President-elect George W. Bush and the Republican Congress to pay down the debt before cutting taxes, Clinton said the increase in the expected surplus could make the government debt-free by 2010.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=122158&page=1

 

[scratch]

Duh?

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE57K4XE20090821