Very informative thanks.
I guess im also thinking HOS or hours of service regulation when I think DOT.
My point would be HOS regulation does not even come close to the Fedex policy being forced on some of its drivers.
That would be quite the joke in the semi industry if they had to take a hr break after 8 hrs and these guys are driving big rigs, not mini vans.
It’s exactly this .It comes and goes, generally the MD makes the call and the senior can push back. It's always been a thing because when you take a 30min and work over 8 hours, if you look at your time card it shows an error. An unspoken thing is that the push comes when performance needs improvement. If you require hour breaks, generally there will be some people who will drive on part of it and hours will reduced. No one will ever say that officially nor will it ever be written somewhere but it does get discussed. To properly run a station with taking hour breaks you should need more routes but that really isn't an option these days.
But what are the rules regarding you package handlers ?If you're driving off the clock to a place to eat or something, it's technically personal use time.
If you're driving to your next stop off the clock and finishing your break there, the drive there off the clock is technically forging your hours of service.
Package handlers don't drive.But what are the rules regarding you package handlers ?
DOT, driving or not.Package handlers don't drive.
Except package handlers can't drive to their next stop while on break, or work a route during their break, as was described earlier.DOT, driving or not.
None of that matters.
It’s a legitimate question just like any other workplace and their break rules.
I’m assuming it’s the same as it varies by station.
Most UPS drivers including feeder drivers are required by the company to take an hour break.
If you're driving off the clock to a place to eat or something, it's technically personal use time.
If you're driving to your next stop off the clock and finishing your break there, the drive there off the clock is technically forging your hours of service.
What do package handlers have to do with my posts or this thread?But what are the rules regarding you package handlers ?
I feel they're forcing that hour to allow that driver to be available in the event someone breaks down or has a situation. However, drivers who feel its gonna be a close call on clocking out before the 8 hour mark are just taking it "safer" and coming in with 45 minutes to an hour of overtime for the day rather than being written up for taking 30 minutes and clocking out at 8 hours and 4 minutes.Forcing a driver to take an hr break if they work past 8 hrs seems highly unethical.
They just reinstated this recently and I would assume its nationwide, why?
Who wants to sit in their van or at taco bell for an hr?
let alone they might be driving a van or truck with no a/c or poor heating in the winter.
No driver wants this. It makes zero sense.
So now a driver is punished for having a busy day or forced to stay out later because they couldnt finish their paperwork in time?
"Well I would have unloaded my truck because they could use the help but I would have been forced to take a hr break so I decided not to."
It is Absolutely insane, it demotivates drivers to actually do their job.
The only reasoning I have heard is to "motivate the driver to get off the clock quicker"
That is very, very sad if that is the case.
Whats the official reasoning for this?
DOT semi drivers dont even need to break like this.
To add, people at my station have already boycotted this and its been made known they are all getting olcc's.
I would also think some drivers have to wait for prolong periods on their pickups, especially if they have a slower day. Ive seen it at my station, people done early, but then probably have to wait longer than 30 mins on a pickup.I feel they're forcing that hour to allow that driver to be available in the event someone breaks down or has a situation
I would also think some drivers have to wait for prolong periods on their pickups, especially if they have a slower day. Ive seen it at my station, people done early, but then probably have to wait longer than 30 mins on a pickup.
Its another way to have them off the clock.
Also, if someones always in the green, always hustling, shows up every day, makes service,
Should a manager make it an issue with writeups if they clock out with 8hrs 4 mins and a 30 min break?
Is that really in anyones best interest?
Would a station risk losing a driver over this policy?
Has anyone been fired ignoring this policy?
I think its pretty shameful forcing this on some drivers in alot of different situations.
It also just adds more pressure to a job that sometimes has enough of that to begin with.
I read this before I took a break from this place, two weeks ago.Is that an updated version? I don’t remember it reading like that before. It’s been around five(?) years since I last looked up the policy.
DOT requires 30.My senior manager told me we could drive five minutes after the previous stop to wherever we take a break. Then we need to be five minutes from the stop right after a break. I doubt that this is anywhere in black and white.
And aren’t 30 and 60 minute breaks required by DOT regs?
Ask to see the policy. I remember looking a few times, but saw nothing. Since the time they tried to make us take an hour failed, I had no reason to look again.Our station pushed back hard, and MD agreed to allow 30min, the only stipulation was if service started to fail(more than normal) they'd fall back to hr breaks.
They've being doing this for years.
Our workgroup has always pushed back on it. It doesn't work well for busy routes in town or extended routes. In fact, it often adds OT because people slow down when they know they can't finish due to the longer breaks.
We've had plenty of people ignore it and they've never been written up. If your manager does write you up they will likely phrase it as insubordination for not following management directions rather than breaking some non-existent break policy.
*** That being said, we all know people who have the time to take hour breaks but never do no matter how busy they are. These are the people who are wasting the hours management is trying to save.
The policy is clear. They can implement (and un-implement) 60 minute breaks if they want.Ask to see the policy. I remember looking a few times, but saw nothing. Since the time they tried to make us take an hour failed, I had no reason to look again.
What would be the reasoning as to any benefit to the employee opposed to just keeping them out later and stuck in their van longer?The policy is clear. They can implement (and un-implement) 60 minute breaks if they want.