BrownArmy
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Well, there's that.
confederate flag?
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Well, there's that.
oldngray
nowhere special
How about we understand what it means, using the words of the man who created the design?? Forget all about "your" opinions, lets take the meaning from the creator himself...
This FLAG , was NEVER the official CONFEDERATE flag. IF you dummies actually knew anything, you would know that its ONLY use was for BATTLEFIELDS.
Thus, the term , BATTLE FLAG.
http://www.vocativ.com/usa/red-state/confederate-flag-rebel-flag-theres-a-difference/
William T. Thompson quote:
Any questions that its a RACIST flag??
TOS.
So you quote a racist who designed a different flag and use it to support your argument?
A Democrat racist of course.
After the American Civil War ended and slavery was abolished in the U.S., Thompson, as a fervent supporter of the Democrats, opposed the Republican Party's efforts in southern U.S. states, as well as opposing the granting of civil rights to African Americans and freed slaves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tappan_Thompson
And he designed the "stainless banner" that is seldom seen. Not the Confederate battle flag under discussion.
So you quote a racist who designed a different flag and use it to support your argument?
A Democrat racist of course.
After the American Civil War ended and slavery was abolished in the U.S., Thompson, as a fervent supporter of the Democrats, opposed the Republican Party's efforts in southern U.S. states, as well as opposing the granting of civil rights to African Americans and freed slaves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tappan_Thompson
And he designed the "stainless banner" that is seldom seen. Not the Confederate battle flag under discussion.
As usual, you have it wrong, what else would I expect?
Lets be clear, the red ensign, with the blue X with stars on it, NEVER WAS THE OFFICIAL FLAG of the confederacy. It was only to be used on the battle field by the confederate forces, and with a laughable explanation.
At the time, the Union North was using this flag on the battlefield
Now, on the battleflield, with all the black powder smoke and fires, the confederate soldiers had trouble identifying their soldiers from the Union soldiers at a distance, because the flags were very similiar in design.
This is what the FIRST Confederate "Battle flag" looked like.
The second
The Third
The fourth
Because they were to similiar and hard to distinguish on the battlefield, the generals made a decision to make identifying them alot easier by asking to have it changed to a BLUE X on a red ensign, with the stars of the confederacy within the blue X.
William T. Thompson complied and agreed and made the changes to both the BATTLE FLAG and NATIONAL adopted FLAG.
While I appreciate YOUR acknowledgement , that William T. Thompson of the Nation of Confederates was a RACIST, what you leave out, is that he was not only a white supremacist, but a RELIGIOUS CHRISTAIN racist, believing the GOD himself made the White Man superior to all races of color.
He based ALL of his racist writings on the book of the lord, citing the bible over and over as his basis for maintaining a level of racial bigotry second to none.
The "Battleflag" incorporated into what William T. Thompson designed as "THE WHITE MANS FLAG" looked like this..
Using the suggestion of the generals and his own racial annimous, the confederacy was based solely on racial hatred and superiority over people of color.
Regardless of democrat or republican, at the time, those roles were reversed in society then as they are today. Yesterdays republicans are not todays republicans by any stretch.
Quote:
""As a people, we are fighting to maintain the Heaven-ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race; a white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause.… Such a flag…would soon take rank among the proudest ensigns of the nations, and be hailed by the civilized world as THE WHITE MAN'S FLAG.… As a national emblem, it is significant of our higher cause, the cause of a superior race, and a higher civilization contending against ignorance, infidelity, and barbarism. Another merit in the new flag is, that it bears no resemblance to the now infamous banner of the Yankee vandals.""
Now of course, many of you midwest yahoos feel the same way today, as Thompson felt in the early 1800's and that really goes without saying, but there can be no misunderstanding of the battleflag, or the Official National Confederate flags intentions or applications.
It was a completely racial movement based upon hate and racial bigotry.
To call it anything less, would be insulting your own intelligence.
TOS.
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
Lol. Pretty much everyone then is what we would call a racist today. Even Lincoln said blacks shouldn't have the same rights as whites.So you quote a racist who designed a different flag and use it to support your argument?
A Democrat racist of course.
After the American Civil War ended and slavery was abolished in the U.S., Thompson, as a fervent supporter of the Democrats, opposed the Republican Party's efforts in southern U.S. states, as well as opposing the granting of civil rights to African Americans and freed slaves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tappan_Thompson
And he designed the "stainless banner" that is seldom seen. Not the Confederate battle flag under discussion.
Exactly.
Nobody cared about blacks during the slave days. Second class citizens to be tortured, killed, abused and mistreated for over a hundred more years after lincoln.
TOS.
Sportello
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So you quote a racist who designed a different flag and use it to support your argument?
A Democrat racist of course.
After the American Civil War ended and slavery was abolished in the U.S., Thompson, as a fervent supporter of the Democrats, opposed the Republican Party's efforts in southern U.S. states, as well as opposing the granting of civil rights to African Americans and freed slaves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tappan_Thompson
And he designed the "stainless banner" that is seldom seen. Not the Confederate battle flag under discussion.
Please see this post, and read the link to a short history: confederate flag?
The repeated comparisons to the Democratic Party of the mid 19th Century to todays Party are a distraction, and not reality based.
Babagounj
Strength through joy
Are you quoting something from your family's history ?
BrownArmy
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I wish people could wrap their heads around this one.
It shouldn't be all that difficult:
The 'Republicans' that advocated against slavery 155 years ago bear little or no resemblance and have no relevance to the 'Republicans' of today.
oldngray
nowhere special
And you try to confuse the issue with other flags. The flag under current discussion is a Confederate battle flag (one of many) and was never "the" official Confederate flag. Nobody claimed it was. The first official flags looked too much like US flags and caused confusion. The mostly white such as the "stainless banner" bore too much resemblance to a white surrender flag and also caused confusion on battlefields. You also attempt (in vain) to link the flag under discussion as specifically racist. More revisionist history by you. To many in the South it represents history and the sacrifice of many ancestors in a lost cause. Most soldiers were not slave owners but loyally served their States. At that time individual States were more important to most individuals than the Federal government. Most officers in the Civil War returned to their home states to serve even if their personal feelings would have them do otherwise. That was true for both the North and the South.
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
So we should ban the American flag also?
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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Why don't you liberals just admit you hate the flag because the racist connection to the flag that you cling to stems from the embarrassment that every single racial disparity in our history books was the product of your own party's true nature?
No, our current flag was NO WHERE near the civil war.
The flag you see today was created long after the civil war. Remember, some states succeeded from the USA so there couldnt be 50 stars on it..
Do the math bro, do the math.
Todays flag represents all americans despite the many white trash that think otherwise. Like the KKK, or the White Knights of America, and the other 1000 hate groups currently operating in the USA.
They incorporate the Official confederate flag, and the 5th battle flag as that closely represents what those hate groups stand for.
A false premise of superiority over the colored races, as did the original confederates of the southern states.
Now, OLDGRAY attempts to "clean up" the history with some nice talk, but these people were demented slave owners who had their sites on moving into latin america and taking their slavery ideology with them.
Problem was, they were too stupid to pull that off. Most of the confederate soldiers couldnt even write their names at the time, and this because the south hadnt followed the norths societal changes , like going to school and getting an education or NOT marrying their sisters.
The southerners were a stupid bunch of white people, believing that somehow, GOD ordained them to be superior to all races and people of color.
"the white mans flag" was officially adopted by the southern congress, and looked like this, until it was changed once more time just before they surrendered.
a red "bar" was added to represent the bloodshed of the confederates who gave their lives in battle and looked like this up until they surrendered to the north.
If anyone wants to fly a "confederate flag", then here are your choices.
If you want a battle flag, then you pick the blue X which signify's STUPID in so many ways.
TOS.
Racism, no matter where it originates, is BAD for our nations history.
Yesterdays racists are todays progressives for equality. Yesterdays freedom seekers , are todays entitlement hating republicans.
The roles have reversed over the centuries.
The southern confederates didnt use racism out of bigotry, they used it because they believed the BIBLE told them they were ordained to be superior to the colored races.
Much like any other Christian who believes in space camp or any of that other crap contained in the bible.
It isnt that hard to figure out bro.
If it was a part of our "true nature", why then did all the civil rights acts have to come via democratic leadership in washington with republican opposition?
Remember de segregation??
It wasnt the democrats resisting change.
It was the good old boys still clinging on to GOD and GUNS. The two biggest evils on the planet.
TOS.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
This coming from the worst racist on Brown Cafe.
oldngray
nowhere special
Onion?
Catatonic
Nine Lives
The Onion circa 2000
Sportello
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This coming from someone who doesn't accept the real reason for the Civil War.
Read Jone's link: confederate flag?
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