Continuing Reagan’s failed War on Drugs.

rickyb

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portugal decided to legalize everything and treat addiction as a health issue rather than punishing.

also the war on drugs started after the civil rights. coincidence? i think not
 

floridays

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Interesting.
I am not familiar with that usage.
I certainly wouldn't encourage anyone to smoke anything to help blood circulation.
That's why I use edibles or vaping.
Also, cannabis increases the heart rate (not blood pressure) ... not sure if this is relevant but literarture and personal use says it does.
Some people use cannabis oil in capsules in very, very strong concentrations for many ailments I don't have.

I googled "cannabis oil circulatory" and came up with this:
10 Proven Benefits of Cannabis Oil - Healthy Focus
Thank you Sir for the benefit of sharing your personal knowledge, and I appreciate your going the added mile with the other information. Thank you
 

vantexan

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Okay let’s do away with video games, sugar, drugs, football, combat sports, social media and anything else that could hamper brain development. Let’s create more black markets and deny the obvious demand for these products.
I was being snarky. You're equating pot use with video games, sugar, etc.
 

vantexan

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Good point about education. Lying to kids typically doesn't work for very long. Tell them weed is terrible and will ruin their life and they won't believe you about anything else related to drugs. Education from professionals about safe usage would provide better results for abuse. Abstinence only education results in higher rates of teen pregnancy than comprehensive education about contraceptives. I'd imagine similar results would happen with realistic drug education.
Can you cite studies proving all of this?
 

UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)

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Can you cite studies proving all of this?

Do you have kids?

He is spot on with that he is saying------if you were to sit there and point blank tell them that drugs are bad without having any supporting material they would quickly discredit anything further that you would have to say on the subject.
 

vantexan

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Well I'm sure easy access to addiction treatment is cheaper than incarceration.
I'm curious, does incarceration reduce crime? Most crimes are committed with the intent to obtain drugs. Will that stop once we decriminalize usage? Addicts will still need money to obtain drugs. Or do you think we should give addicts free drugs to treat them? Another Obamacare perk?
 

Catatonic

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Aside from Trump, most professional politicians make policy pronouncements based on investigation and research made by government and private experts. Shooting off at the mouth often leaves them twisting in the wind turning them into cannon fodder for political opponents. Most likely anything said about the problems of pot is based on medical studies.
Politicians pass laws to get reelected.
Are you not familiar with Nixon rejecting the advice of his appointed medical commision (Shafer Commission) but rather listened to Anslinger who wanted to preserve/increase his power he established as head of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics.
The hatred of the hippies by Nixon and the racism and power hungry nature of Anslinger is why the USA has such Neanderthal attitudes towards drug usage.
Ironically, both were alcoholics.

Additionally, relying on the police force to provide input on drugs is just plain stupid ... their jobs depend on the prohibition of marijuana and other scheduled drugs.


A Brief History of Marijuana Law in America
Part of Richard Nixon’s war on drugs, the Controlled Substances Act placed cannabis into Schedule 1, along with heroin and LSD, more due to Nixon’s animus toward the counterculture with which he associated marijuana than scientific, medical, or legal opinion. Indeed, in 1972 the Shafer Commission, an investigative body appointed by Nixon, recommended that marijuana be decriminalized and thus removed from Schedule 1. Nixon vehemently rejected the Commission’s report. The Schedule I designation made it difficult even for physicians or scientists to procure marijuana for research studies. Defining marijuana as medically useless and restricting research access ensured that it would not be developed for use in medicines through the normal medical, scientific and pharmaceutical protocols.
 
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It will be fine

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I'm curious, does incarceration reduce crime? Most crimes are committed with the intent to obtain drugs. Will that stop once we decriminalize usage? Addicts will still need money to obtain drugs. Or do you think we should give addicts free drugs to treat them? Another Obamacare perk?
Theft would still be a crime. Possession wouldn't. Most people incarcerated for drugs are there for possession or distribution.
 

vantexan

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Politicians pass laws to get reelected.
Are you not familiar with Nixon rejecting the advice of his appointed medical commision but rather listened to Anslinger who wanted to preserve/increase his power as head of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics.
The hatred of the hippies by Nixon and the racism and power hungry nature of Anslinger is why the USA has such Neanderthal attitudes towards drug usage.
Ironically, both were alcoholics.

Additionally, relying on the police force to provide input on drugs is just plain stupid ... their jobs depend on the prohibition of marijuana and other scheduled drugs.


A Brief History of Marijuana Law in America
Part of Richard Nixon’s war on drugs, the Controlled Substances Act placed cannabis into Schedule 1, along with heroin and LSD, more due to Nixon’s animus toward the counterculture with which he associated marijuana than scientific, medical, or legal opinion. Indeed, in 1972 the Shafer Commission, an investigative body appointed by Nixon, recommended that marijuana be decriminalized and thus removed from Schedule 1. Nixon vehemently rejected the Commission’s report. The Schedule I designation made it difficult even for physicians or scientists to procure marijuana for research studies. Defining marijuana as medically useless and restricting research access ensured that it would not be developed for use in medicines through the normal medical, scientific and pharmaceutical protocols.
A different time. Take Republicans for example. Literally everything said is followed closely by the media and outfits like MoveOn.org. Trump doesn't care, but a stupid, off the cuff remark by many Republicans could cost them an election.
 

It will be fine

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So climate change is proven by science but matters concerning teenage drug use and pregnancy rates are proven by common sense?
Teen pregnancy and abstinence only education are linked in numerous studies. Feel free to google to your heart's content. I assumed you knew that one already, it's common knowledge. I just extrapolated those results to drug education.
 

Catatonic

Nine Lives
A different time. Take Republicans for example. Literally everything said is followed closely by the media and outfits like MoveOn.org. Trump doesn't care, but a stupid, off the cuff remark by many Republicans could cost them an election.
Not sure what this has to do with this discussion but "OK".
 

vantexan

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Theft would still be a crime. Possession wouldn't. Most people incarcerated for drugs are there for possession or distribution.
It's a known fact that most crimes are committed to ultimately obtain drugs. Addicts that can't work still want their drugs. Where do you think most get the money? Releasing everyone with a drug addiction will see a spike in crime.
 
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