Continuing Reagan’s failed War on Drugs.

[floridays]

I'm curious, does incarceration reduce crime? Most crimes are committed with the intent to obtain drugs. Will that stop once we decriminalize usage? Addicts will still need money to obtain drugs. Or do you think we should give addicts free drugs to treat them? Another Obamacare perk?

You're catching on.

 

[vantexan]

Not sure what this has to do with this discussion but "OK".

You brought up stupid politicians shouldn't be involved in decisions about drugs. Laws do have to be made and it's those pesky politicians who make the laws. Do you not want your politicians to be informed and careful about their statements concerning your favorite mind enhancement? Or should they just do what the majority of their constituents want, no questions asked?

 

[floridays]

You brought up stupid politicians shouldn't be involved in decisions about drugs. Laws do have to be made and it's those pesky politicians who make the laws. Do you not want your politicians to be informed and careful about their statements concerning your favorite mind enhancement? Or should they just do what the majority of their constituents want, no questions asked?

Good question

 

[vantexan]

Teen pregnancy and abstinence only education are linked in numerous studies. Feel free to google to your heart's content. I assumed you knew that one already, it's common knowledge. I just extrapolated those results to drug education.

Is there such a thing as abstinence only education in public schools? Has sex education truly reduced teen pregnancies? If it has then gosh hate to see the rate, and the abortion rate, without it.

 

[It will be fine]

It's a known fact that most crimes are committed to ultimately obtain drugs. Addicts that can't work still want their drugs. Where do you think most get the money? Releasing everyone with a drug addiction will see a spike in crime.

Do you think it's easier or harder to find gainful employment with a drug conviction criminal record?

 

[El Correcto]

I was being snarky. You're equating pot use with video games, sugar, etc.

You’re are observing pot through biased skewed studies. I know legalizing all drugs is an extremist stance on prohibition, but I found it becoming more common with people sick of the casualties in the drug war.

Seeing it tearing apart the inner city’s like Chicago, you see gangsters out there doing the crime I see children who were raised into a warzone finally grown up.

You say kids getting a hold of drugs and hampering brain devopment or even possibly dying young. I see misinformed kids, getting a hold of sketchy drugs from an unregulated black market run by organized crime and terrorist.

Drugs don’t increase the crime rate, putting people into black market environments do and flooding our prison system with non violent offenders does. They go into prison lose a chunk of their life in a cage surrounded by criminals from all walks of life and then get branded a felon which hampers their future job prospects. The black market doesn’t mind if your a felon though and you can make a lot more money than the people with good jobs.

 

[Catatonic]

Good point about education. Lying to kids typically doesn't work for very long. Tell them weed is terrible and will ruin their life and they won't believe you about anything else related to drugs.

These lies and deception regarding marijuana is the primary reason I did not trust the National Government as a teenager and in my early twenties.
As I got older, I realized it was a lot worse than that Great Lie.
LBJ's lying about the Vietnam War was the other big reason.
LBJ and Nixon back to back was blow to American citizens believing in the National Government in the 60's and 70's ... Reagan helped to rectify this distrust.

 

[It will be fine]

Is there such a thing as abstinence only education in public schools? Has sex education truly reduced teen pregnancies? If it has then gosh hate to see the rate, and the abortion rate, without it.

Yes, yes and yes.

 

[vantexan]

Do you think it's easier or harder to find gainful employment with a drug conviction criminal record?

Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Many in prison are there because they were committing crimes to feed their addiction, not just for usage. I believe there are programs to get people employed out of prison, might not be fun work. The best thing IMO is to make it extremely difficult to obtain drugs to begin with, and treat those willing to be treated, and incarcerate those who are a danger to society. If necessary do what AZ did concerning DUI convictions, have a separate prison for just that, as opposed to having them in with hardcore criminals.

 

[vantexan]

You’re are observing pot through biased skewed studies. I know legalizing all drugs is an extremist stance on prohibition, but I found it becoming more common with people sick of the casualties in the drug war.

Seeing it tearing apart the inner city’s like Chicago, you see gangsters out there doing the crime I see children who were raised into a warzone finally grown up.

You say kids getting a hold of drugs and hampering brain devopment or even possibly dying young. I see misinformed kids, getting a hold of sketchy drugs from an unregulated black market run by organized crime and terrorist.

Drugs don’t increase the crime rate, putting people into black market environments do and flooding our prison system with non violent offenders does. They go into prison lose a chunk of their life in a cage surrounded by criminals from all walks of life and then get branded a felon which hampers their future job prospects. The black market doesn’t mind if your a felon though and you can make a lot more money than the people with good jobs.

I've read that marijuana today is much stronger than what was sold in the 70's. A major reason for brain development issues?

 

[It will be fine]

Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Many in prison are there because they were committing crimes to feed their addiction, not just for usage. I believe there are programs to get people employed out of prison, might not be fun work. The best thing IMO is to make it extremely difficult to obtain drugs to begin with, and treat those willing to be treated, and incarcerate those who are a danger to society. If necessary do what AZ did concerning DUI convictions, have a separate prison for just that, as opposed to having them in with hardcore criminals.

It will never be extremely difficult to obtain drugs. You can grow them in your basement, so why don't we try a solution that has a chance of providing better results.

 

[El Correcto]

I've read that marijuana today is much stronger than what was sold in the 70's. A major reason for brain development issues?

I think it would be less dangerous than if grown in Mexico by criminals who don’t care if a child ends up smoking pesticide or fuel from a gas tank.

 

[vantexan]

It will never be extremely difficult to obtain drugs. You can grow them in your basement, so why don't we try a solution that has a chance of providing better results.

It's been tried elsewhere with bad results. Will eventually happen to Portugal too. Giving in to people's worst impulses never ends well.

 

[It will be fine]

It's been tried elsewhere with bad results. Will eventually happen to Portugal too. Giving in to people's worst impulses never ends well.

None of that is true.

 

[vantexan]

I think it would be less dangerous than if grown in Mexico by criminals who don’t care if a child ends up smoking pesticide or fuel from a gas tank.

Agreed, less dangerous, but dangerous all the same.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

None of that is true.

Based on his personal biases it is all true.

 

[vantexan]

None of that is true.

Ask Switzerland and the Netherlands.

 

[vantexan]

Based on his personal biases it is all true.

I'm arguing doing everything possible to prevent drug usage to begin with, he's arguing let people do what they want, even with the hardest drugs. I like my position better.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

I'm arguing doing everything possible to prevent drug usage to begin with, he's arguing let people do what they want, even with the hardest drugs. I like my position better.

You are arguing from a position of naivete.

 

[floridays]

I'm arguing doing everything possible to prevent drug usage to begin with, he's arguing let people do what they want, even with the hardest drugs. I like my position better.

His position is All drugs. Been down that road with him before.