Jumpin Jack Flash
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You chimes in. Apples to oranges. One either has cancer or one doesn’t.
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oldngray
nowhere special
One is an infection and one isn't
zubenelgenubi
I'm a star
What you are continuing to fail to understand is that saying someone has the flu or doesn't, that's it, is about as useless a statement as you can make, almost to the point of meaninglessness. Saying someone has cancer or not is the same. Saying it over and over again does not give it more meaning. If your doctor tells you you have cancer, what do you do with that information? You ask questions.
"What do I do?"
"What are my treatment options?"
Imagine if the doctor answered "you either have cancer, or you don't, end of argument."
I guess you would just have to accept that, because "End of argument."
Should we treat all flu cases the same? Hospitalize people with the sniffles and those who develop pneumomia? Or send home unconscious patients and tell them to eat soup? Flu or no flu, that's it. Ha!
Some viruses can cause cancer. Is there a meaningful difference between that fact and saying cancer is a virus? Probably, but don't ask jack, he'll just say you either got it or you don't.
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Jumpin Jack Flash
Troll
A doctor would answer with, you either have cancer or you don’t, if tested for cancer.
zubenelgenubi
I'm a star
That's all?
Jumpin Jack Flash
Troll
Yes, you cant have treatment if you’d don’t have cancer. The doctors first step is to find out if you have cancer or not. Very basic. If you do, you go for treatment, but it’s already been determined you have cancer. You either have cancer or you don’t!
zubenelgenubi
I'm a star
And it's the same treatment for all cancers? Because, you either have cancer, or you don't, end of argument. No different kinds of cancer, no different stages of cancer development. One size fits all, one treatment plan for every cancer.
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
Good lord this kid is mentally ill.
Jumpin Jack Flash
Troll
Again, in order to get cancer treatment you have to have cancer. So the doctors finds out if you have cancer. Not sure why you keep referring to treatments. Once again you can’t have cancer treatments if you don’t have cancer.One has cancer or doesn’t. Very simple.
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
There’s not different definitions though. The medical community clearly defines it.
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
What does cancer have to do with partial immunity to a virus which was the discussion at hand.....NOTHING
Hence apples to oranges
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
Clearly it’s management sent her to troll the union forum.
zubenelgenubi
I'm a star
I keep referring to treatments because they exist. And the fact that there are different types of cancer, different stages of cancer development, different treatments, all means it's not very simple.
Let me try to put it in terms you can understand. When the teacher tells you to pull out the red crayon, and you pull out brown, she tells you, "no jackie, the red one." You don't look at her and say "I either have a crayon, or I don't, it's that simple." The reason you don't respond like that is because it is insane. It denies the even low level of complexity involved in color differences between crayons.
It is not, nor will it ever be, as simple as cancer/no cancer, flu/no flu.
zubenelgenubi
I'm a star
You can be partially immune to HPV and not ever worry about getting cervical or pee-pee cancer.
Mugarolla
Light 'em up!
The experts disagree with you...again. Partial immunity exists and is a real thing.
PRIME® Continuing Medical Education
PRIME Education is an accredited provider of continuing medical education
www.medpagetoday.org
Partial immunity and vaccination for influenza - PubMed
In this article, we estimated the basic reproductive numbers by mathematical modeling and computer simulation using the hospitalization data of influenza type A (H3N2) from the United States as provided by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) from the 2001 to 2006 influenza...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Epidemics with partial immunity to reinfection
We obtain analytical results about epidemics generated by the partial immunity model of Gomes et al. [3], in which infection confers partial immunity …
Ebola Infection May Provide Partial Immunity to Other Filoviruses
Those patients who survive infections caused by the Ebola or Marburg viruses may gain at least partial immunity to other filoviruses through specific antibodies generated during serological immune responses.
Pre-existing immunity to SARS-CoV-2: the knowns and unknowns - Nature Reviews Immunology
Recent studies have shown T cell reactivity to SARS-CoV-2 in 20–50% of unexposed individuals; it is speculated that this is due to T cell memory to common cold coronaviruses. Here, Crotty and Sette discuss the potential implications of these findings for disease severity, herd immunity and...
www.nature.com
COVID-19 Vaccine Update: Harvard studies show DNA vaccines provide partial immunity and antibodies prevent reinfection
One thing that the world didn’t know so far was if an infected person who recovers from the infection is safe from reinfection.
upschuck
Well-Known Member
Jack is not using the definition the rest of us are, however.
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
You and him should get along well
Well, well, during the Bush administration.
Quit bullying the hourlys you management scum bag
Mugarolla
Light 'em up!
He can use any definition that he conjures up. We are talking about partial immunity to an infectious disease. He says there is no such thing.
He is correct that you either have COVID-19 or you don't, but he is incorrect to say that you cannot have partial immunity to COVID-19, or any other infectious disease. The infectious disease experts say he is wrong.
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