Coronavirus

JJinVA

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I imagine most Indians will get Covid. I also imagine they’ll have a lower death rate than America. Why do you refuse to acknowledge reality? America is the fattest nation on Earth. We have an unhealthy population. It’s just a fact.

On the flip side, I have read a few articles from both left and right wing sources that a food shortage is coming. So looks like fat America is gonna be going on a diet whether they want to or not. The UN called it a coming "famine of biblical proportions", where "10s of millions of people will starve".

Im seriously gonna eat my neighbors dog by the way. Little bit of Sweet Baby Rays. Ill even invite them over for the cookout, just wont tell them until after we've eaten it
 

vantexan

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I imagine most Indians will get Covid. I also imagine they’ll have a lower death rate than America. Why do you refuse to acknowledge reality? America is the fattest nation on Earth. We have an unhealthy population. It’s just a fact.
We certainly are overweight. But I was talking about India and you keep wanting to shift the focus onto the U.S. India has four times our population in an area approximately the size of the U.S. east of the Mississippi. They're already at over 4 million cases with the potential to get much worse very fast. And they're reopening their economy. I expect to see them race past us.
 

vantexan

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On the flip side, I have read a few articles from both left and right wing sources that a food shortage is coming. So looks like fat America is gonna be going on a diet whether they want to or not. The UN called it a coming "famine of biblical proportions", where "10s of millions of people will starve".

Im seriously gonna eat my neighbors dog by the way. Little bit of Sweet Baby Rays. Ill even invite them over for the cookout, just wont tell them until after we've eaten it
We're in a much better position than some countries. They've had huge swarms of locusts this year in East Africa. We may have real issues if the Grand Solar Minimum affects our growing season.
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
We certainly are overweight. But I was talking about India and you keep wanting to shift the focus onto the U.S. India has four times our population in an area approximately the size of the U.S. east of the Mississippi. They're already at over 4 million cases with the potential to get much worse very fast. And they're reopening their economy. I expect to see them race past us.
Their population is young compared to ours, and their fatality numbers have come under scrutiny for underreporting, like many other countries.

Current case and fatality rates being reported globally are close to useless. We won't know what's really happened until the excess death numbers are studied.
 

vantexan

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Their population is young compared to ours, and their fatality numbers have come under scrutiny for underreporting, like many other countries.

Current case and fatality rates being reported globally are close to useless. We won't know what's really happened until the excess death numbers are studied.
Percentage wise true. But in sheer numbers their over 60 population is still a lot of people. There's potential for many times more fatalities than we've had.
 

zubenelgenubi

I'm a star

Even the UK is starting to figure it out. The UK is under attack from commie globalists as punishment for Brexit from their EU. Their operatives in the UK public health ministries have helped spread misinformation and inflate numbers to make the UK look bad in the global community. Where else might this be taking place?

Any future discussion of the "official" case and death counts in the US or UK can only carry the weight of wild speculation as there is now no way to know how many active infections there are or have ever been, or whether covid played any role in many of the deaths that have been attributed to it.
 

rickyb

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Even the UK is starting to figure it out. The UK is under attack from commie globalists as punishment for Brexit from their EU. Their operatives in the UK public health ministries have helped spread misinformation and inflate numbers to make the UK look bad in the global community. Where else might this be taking place?

Any future discussion of the "official" case and death counts in the US or UK can only carry the weight of wild speculation as there is now no way to know how many active infections there are or have ever been, or whether covid played any role in many of the deaths that have been attributed to it.
commie globalists???
 

rickyb

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What part is unclear to you?
where u get your info from. it sounds liek alex jones, and to be fair i like some of his stuff. and i know my ideas look strange but gosh darn. ive never understood the logic how u figure staying at home will spread more corona vs going to work ie interacting with people.
 

zubenelgenubi

I'm a star
where u get your info from. it sounds liek alex jones, and to be fair i like some of his stuff. and i know my ideas look strange but gosh darn. ive never understood the logic how u figure staying at home will spread more corona vs going to work ie interacting with people.

It's in the data. Of course it depends on workplace set ups, people who work indoors in close quarters with poor ventilation are probably at similar risk of spread. But familial clusters have been driving the numbers of secondary infection, that fact has gone largely ignored when setting policy, which is the main reason I point it out.

The fact is that it is unlikely any action would have changed the outcome. The belief in the government's ability to ward off a force of nature like a highly infectious pathogen is a pathological thought process that is easily exploited by authoritarians to assume and consolidate more power. That is something you ought to be wary of, based on your previous comments about the centralization of power. (That is what confuses me about you. You claim to want decentralized power, anarchy, but present solutions to problems that require a strong, centralized government.)

Of course we can't trust any of the numbers anyway, because of the faulty testing and methodology. This fact can only be attributed to extreme incompetence of the supposed experts, or intentional, malicious action. Maybe it's unreasonable to suspect conspiracy, but experts would have to be really incompetent to bungle up this bad. And how would such incompetent people get into positions of authority to begin with? It's hard to say for sure one way or the other, but it is unreasonable to completely rule out intentional maliciousness.
 

rickyb

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It's in the data. Of course it depends on workplace set ups, people who work indoors in close quarters with poor ventilation are probably at similar risk of spread. But familial clusters have been driving the numbers of secondary infection, that fact has gone largely ignored when setting policy, which is the main reason I point it out.

The fact is that it is unlikely any action would have changed the outcome. The belief in the government's ability to ward off a force of nature like a highly infectious pathogen is a pathological thought process that is easily exploited by authoritarians to assume and consolidate more power. That is something you ought to be wary of, based on your previous comments about the centralization of power. (That is what confuses me about you. You claim to want decentralized power, anarchy, but present solutions to problems that require a strong, centralized government.)

Of course we can't trust any of the numbers anyway, because of the faulty testing and methodology. This fact can only be attributed to extreme incompetence of the supposed experts, or intentional, malicious action. Maybe it's unreasonable to suspect conspiracy, but experts would have to be really incompetent to bungle up this bad. And how would such incompetent people get into positions of authority to begin with? It's hard to say for sure one way or the other, but it is unreasonable to completely rule out intentional maliciousness.
yea i think even glenn greenwald was trying to square covid response with his libertarianism.

i can understand how if you catch covid from not social distancing then you can spread it to your family. i dont get how you can catch covid if you are all social distancing. different countries had different outcomes, and i actually dont buy the idea that the numbers cant be trusted anymore than they can 100% be trusted. like i actually believe thailand did good with their response, and probably china as well. and new zealand.
 
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