Coronavirus

"It's hardly new or revelatory to say this, but it's critical to remember the role that "The Apprentice" played in turning Donald Trump, a notoriously bad businessman with a string of bankruptcies, into an American icon of capitalist success. Everything from careful editing to set designers giving the dreary Trump Organization offices a glow-up came together to create the illusion of success where only failure and mediocrity had been before.

It was an experience so profound for Trump that he did something highly unusual: He learned something. He absorbed the idea that a well-constructed illusion of competence gets you all the benefits of being accomplished, without having to do the hard work of actually achieving anything."

Amanda Marcotte
 

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zubenelgenubi

I'm a star
Excess deaths are way up all over the country. To what do you attribute the increase?

And by "way up" you mean? And by "all over the country" you mean?


I'm not disputing there are more deaths than there would have been without covid. But to use two years' worth of data to support a claim is not very statistically valid. The death rate in the US dropped steadily from 9.6 per 1000 in 1950 down to 8.1 per 1000 in 2008, at which point it rose at a flat rate between 2009 and 2013, at which point the growth in the death rate jumped significantly from .09% to almost 1.3%.

The growth in the death rate multiplied almost 15x in one year, and had continued at close to that rate until 2018. In 2019 the growth in the death rate dropped from 1.22% in 2018 to 1.12% in 2019. 2020 was projected to be at the same growth of the death rate as 2019, at 1.12%, before factoring in the deaths associated with Covid.

If we assume 250,000 deaths, all completely due to Covid, and that all other death rates match projections, the growth in the death rate for 2020 will be 1.19%. Less than the growth in the death rate for each year between 2014 and 2018. So, yeah, let's just focus on two years of data that support our claims.

The year we should have been flipping out was 2014. Why are we now, when covid is contributing such a small percentage to the growth in a single year's death rate? A 9% increase in the growth of the death rate from the previous year in 2020, vs a 1,433% increase in 2014. What do you attribute that to? BTW the total death rate this year will still be lower than every year between 1950 and 1988.
 

vantexan

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And by "way up" you mean? And by "all over the country" you mean?


I'm not disputing there are more deaths than there would have been without covid. But to use two years' worth of data to support a claim is not very statistically valid. The death rate in the US dropped steadily from 9.6 per 1000 in 1950 down to 8.1 per 1000 in 2008, at which point it rose at a flat rate between 2009 and 2013, at which point the growth in the death rate jumped significantly from .09% to almost 1.3%.

The growth in the death rate multiplied almost 15x in one year, and had continued at close to that rate until 2018. In 2019 the growth in the death rate dropped from 1.22% in 2018 to 1.12% in 2019. 2020 was projected to be at the same growth of the death rate as 2019, at 1.12%, before factoring in the deaths associated with Covid.

If we assume 250,000 deaths, all completely due to Covid, and that all other death rates match projections, the growth in the death rate for 2020 will be 1.19%. Less than the growth in the death rate for each year between 2014 and 2018. So, yeah, let's just focus on two years of data that support our claims.

The year we should have been flipping out was 2014. Why are we now, when covid is contributing such a small percentage to the growth in a single year's death rate? A 9% increase in the growth of the death rate from the previous year in 2020, vs a 1,433% increase in 2014. What do you attribute that to? BTW the total death rate this year will still be lower than every year between 1950 and 1988.
Saw last night that emails from and to the Democrat mayor of Nashville and Nashville's health dept discussed the fact that very few Covid-19 deaths came from infections obtained in Nashville's restaurants and bars. Very few. In the emails the mayor insisted on keeping that fact quiet so that he could keep the lockdown going in spite the state governor opening up the state. In the emails he made it clear it was for political reasons. Quite the scandal in Nashville now. Nashville is very dependent on its restaurants and bars. A lot of people are hurting financially there.
 

tonyexpress

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Saw last night that emails from and to the Democrat mayor of Nashville and Nashville's health dept discussed the fact that very few Covid-19 deaths came from infections obtained in Nashville's restaurants and bars. Very few. In the emails the mayor insisted on keeping that fact quiet so that he could keep the lockdown going in spite the state governor opening up the state. In the emails he made it clear it was for political reasons. Quite the scandal in Nashville now. Nashville is very dependent on its restaurants and bars. A lot of people are hurting financially there.
COVID-19 emails from Nashville mayor's office show disturbing revelation


NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WZTV) — The coronavirus cases on lower Broadway may have been so low that the mayor’s office and the Metro Health Department decided to keep it secret.

Emails between the mayor’s senior advisor and the health department reveal only a partial picture. But what they reveal is disturbing.

The discussion involves the low number of coronavirus cases emerging from bars and restaurants and how to handle that.

And most disturbingly, how to keep it from the public.

On June 30th, contact tracing was given a small view of coronavirus clusters. Construction and nursing homes were found to be causing problems with more than a thousand cases traced to each category, but bars and restaurants reported just 22 cases.

TTKU :happy2:
 

Old Man Jingles

Rat out of a cage
Saw last night that emails from and to the Democrat mayor of Nashville and Nashville's health dept discussed the fact that very few Covid-19 deaths came from infections obtained in Nashville's restaurants and bars. Very few. In the emails the mayor insisted on keeping that fact quiet so that he could keep the lockdown going in spite the state governor opening up the state. In the emails he made it clear it was for political reasons. Quite the scandal in Nashville now. Nashville is very dependent on its restaurants and bars. A lot of people are hurting financially there.
This is much better than what The Big Ape posted on this!!!
 

Old Man Jingles

Rat out of a cage
And by "way up" you mean? And by "all over the country" you mean?


I'm not disputing there are more deaths than there would have been without covid. But to use two years' worth of data to support a claim is not very statistically valid. The death rate in the US dropped steadily from 9.6 per 1000 in 1950 down to 8.1 per 1000 in 2008, at which point it rose at a flat rate between 2009 and 2013, at which point the growth in the death rate jumped significantly from .09% to almost 1.3%.

The growth in the death rate multiplied almost 15x in one year, and had continued at close to that rate until 2018. In 2019 the growth in the death rate dropped from 1.22% in 2018 to 1.12% in 2019. 2020 was projected to be at the same growth of the death rate as 2019, at 1.12%, before factoring in the deaths associated with Covid.

If we assume 250,000 deaths, all completely due to Covid, and that all other death rates match projections, the growth in the death rate for 2020 will be 1.19%. Less than the growth in the death rate for each year between 2014 and 2018. So, yeah, let's just focus on two years of data that support our claims.

The year we should have been flipping out was 2014. Why are we now, when covid is contributing such a small percentage to the growth in a single year's death rate? A 9% increase in the growth of the death rate from the previous year in 2020, vs a 1,433% increase in 2014. What do you attribute that to? BTW the total death rate this year will still be lower than every year between 1950 and 1988.
I hope you didn't really expect that DemWit Fishy to understand that!
 

Old Man Jingles

Rat out of a cage
Coronavirus ground zero 'is now a zombieland with dead lying in streets'

Something we need to be paying attention to. Two cases in Chicago already.

Wall Street slides on coronavirus fears, Intel offers support

It’s even affecting Wall Street.

And now 9 months later ...
The rioters, looters, and arsonists are not showing any kindness or compassion, I agree. Looks to be all Up In Smoke!

A while back I read a story of a visiting pastor who attended a men's breakfast in the middle of a rural farming area of the country.

The group had asked an older farmer, decked out in bib overalls, to say grace for the morning breakfast.

"Lord, I hate buttermilk", the farmer began. The visiting pastor opened one eye to glance at the farmer and wonder where this was going. The farmer loudly proclaimed, "Lord, I hate lard." Now the pastor was growing concerned.
Without missing a beat, the farmer continued, "And Lord, you know I don't much care for raw white flour".
The pastor once again opened an eye to glance around the room and saw that he wasn't the only one to
feel uncomfortable.

Then the farmer added, "But Lord, when you mix them all together and bake them, I do love warm fresh biscuits.
So Lord, when things come up that we don't like, when life gets hard, when we don't understand what you're saying to us,
help us to just relax and wait until you are done mixing. It will probably be even better than biscuits Amen."

Within that prayer there is great wisdom for all when it comes to complicated situations like we are experiencing in the world today.
 

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Hahahahaha ha! Workstarhiphop! And you laugh at me for reading the NY Post. Lol.
 

Box Ox

Well-Known Member
White House abandoned plan to send 650 million face masks across the U.S. in April, report says

"The U.S. Postal Service had drafted a press release announcing plans to send 650 million masks out across the U.S. early in the coronavirus crisis, but the White House ultimately abandoned the plan, The Washington Post reported Thursday.

The plan would have sent a pack of five reusable masks to every residential address in the country, the Post reported, citing one of thousands of internal post office documents obtained by watchdog group American Oversight.

“Our organization is uniquely suited to undertake this historic mission of delivering face coverings to every American household in the fight against the COVID-19 virus,” then-Postmaster General and CEO Megan J. Brennan said in the scrapped news release, which was dated to be released in April.

Brennan was succeeded in the summer by Louis DeJoy, whose drastic cost-cutting measures at the government agency have sparked controversy in advance of the 2020 election.

The idea to have USPS ship out personal protective equipment came from the Department of Health and Human Services, the Post reported. The reported plan was to start distributing masks in April, with Covid-19 hot spots getting first priority.

The newly uncovered documents suggest the government had initially intended to utilize the Postal Service in early pandemic response plans. The distribution program would have come at a time when President Donald Trump largely resisted wearing a mask.

The White House ultimately canceled the program, senior administration officials told the Post."

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zubenelgenubi

I'm a star
White House abandoned plan to send 650 million face masks across the U.S. in April, report says

"The U.S. Postal Service had drafted a press release announcing plans to send 650 million masks out across the U.S. early in the coronavirus crisis, but the White House ultimately abandoned the plan, The Washington Post reported Thursday.

The plan would have sent a pack of five reusable masks to every residential address in the country, the Post reported, citing one of thousands of internal post office documents obtained by watchdog group American Oversight.

“Our organization is uniquely suited to undertake this historic mission of delivering face coverings to every American household in the fight against the COVID-19 virus,” then-Postmaster General and CEO Megan J. Brennan said in the scrapped news release, which was dated to be released in April.

Brennan was succeeded in the summer by Louis DeJoy, whose drastic cost-cutting measures at the government agency have sparked controversy in advance of the 2020 election.

The idea to have USPS ship out personal protective equipment came from the Department of Health and Human Services, the Post reported. The reported plan was to start distributing masks in April, with Covid-19 hot spots getting first priority.

The newly uncovered documents suggest the government had initially intended to utilize the Postal Service in early pandemic response plans. The distribution program would have come at a time when President Donald Trump largely resisted wearing a mask.

The White House ultimately canceled the program, senior administration officials told the Post."

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That's good they cancelled it. Would have been a complete waste of time and taxpayer money.
 
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