Coronavirus

[UnionStrong]

Yet we have people that took one trying to explain why it was better than the others. Just admit it …. You fell for the scam.

I believe he felt that the J&J shot was safer in the long run. I don’t think he got it because he was afraid of the virus. He weighed up
the pros and cons of getting an unnecessary shot and going to Argentina. He chose the least likely one to cause him harm. Falling for the “scam” implies that he took the shot to protect himself from covid, I don’t believe that’s the case here.

 

[Darmark7]

I didn't try to do that. Merely explained why it was different than the mRNA vaccines and I decided it was safe enough to take. You apparently weren't aware there was a difference.

I understood that no vaccine that they had at that time was effective for treating COVID, so evidently I understood enough to not take a useless vax. If you are happy that you took a useless vaccine with less side effects than good for you.

 

[oldngray]

I understood that no vaccine that they had at that time was effective for treating COVID, so evidently I understood enough to not take a useless vax. If you are happy that you took a useless vaccine with less side effects than good for you.

Who wouldn't want a vaccine that doesn't prevent you from getting sick and does nothing to stop spreading the virus? Ignore any unknown side effects.

 

[vantexan]

I understood that no vaccine that they had at that time was effective for treating COVID, so evidently I understood enough to not take a useless vax. If you are happy that you took a useless vaccine with less side effects than good for you.

So when the vaccines first came out you had already figured out they weren't any good?

 

[Darmark7]

I believe he felt that the J&J shot was safer in the long run. I don’t think he got it because he was afraid of the virus. He weighed up
the pros and cons of getting an unnecessary shot and going to Argentina. He chose the least likely one to cause him harm. Falling for the “scam” implies that he took the shot to protect himself from covid, I don’t believe that’s the case here.

Understood… I just would not of let anyone shoot something in me because I felt it was “less harmful” than others options, If I would of I would never point a finger at someone who fell for it all “hook line and sinker.” Its like being a little pregnant .

 

[UnionStrong]

Who wouldn't want a vaccine that doesn't prevent you from getting sick and does nothing to stop spreading the virus? Ignore any unknown side effects.

Lol

 

[Darmark7]

So when the vaccines first came out you had already figured out they weren't any good?

Yes! The whole reason I didn‘t take it was because the “”Front line doctors” said it was useless and would cause problems from the very beginning. They were silence and banned! I knew if people that had everything to lose would speak out against the vax they were right. The ones that was giving a megaphone were the ones that had all to gain, they were wrong. I never wore a mask and I never took the vax because people that spoke against the vac and mask were silenced. That tells it all! Then add common sense on top of what they were saying and anyone should have seen the lies.

 

[vantexan]

Understood… I just would not of let anyone shoot something in me because I felt it was “less harmful” than others options, If I would of I would never point a finger at someone who fell for it all “hook line and sinker.” Its like being a little pregnant .

So who is pointing fingers at others? It's you amigo. If I felt the J&J was harmful at all I wouldn't have taken it. As I pointed out the J&J had some concerns at first. They took it off the market briefly while they looked at it closer. Are you against all vaccines? Have you been vaccinated at all? The J&J was created with older, proven vaccine technology. You've lumped them all together because you believe, it seems, that the whole pandemic was a scam and the vaccines were a collusion between government and corporations to control us all.

 

[Thebrownblob]

So who is pointing fingers at others? It's you amigo. If I felt the J&J was harmful at all I wouldn't have taken it. As I pointed out the J&J had some concerns at first. They took it off the market briefly while they looked at it closer. Are you against all vaccines? Have you been vaccinated at all? The J&J was created with older, proven vaccine technology. You've lumped them all together because you believe, it seems, that the whole pandemic was a scam and the vaccines were a collusion between government and corporations to control us all.

I was certainly skeptical from the very beginning simply because everyone was saying how great it was and that there was absolutely no side effects, which there is no such medicine without side effects.

But I certainly understood why people would take it they were doing what they’ve been taught their whole lives to do, what their doctor told them to.

I did, however, have a problem with the people who mocked those who did not take it wished them a dead and pretended they were the ones spreading the virus even further, which was absolutely nonsense.

@vantexan was never one of those. He made a choice that worked for him at the time and that is completely understandable. That’s the exact the way Personal health is supposed to work. You make a personal choice, no one else’s business.

There were some others even on this website here who mocked, wished dead, and so on who are pretty much the garbage human beings imo.

 

[Darmark7]

So who is pointing fingers at others? It's you amigo. If I felt the J&J was harmful at all I wouldn't have taken it. As I pointed out the J&J had some concerns at first. They took it off the market briefly while they looked at it closer. Are you against all vaccines? Have you been vaccinated at all? The J&J was created with older, proven vaccine technology. You've lumped them all together because you believe, it seems, that the whole pandemic was a scam and the vaccines were a collusion between government and corporations to control us all.

No one that took the fake vax will point fingers. They know they were on the wrong side of history. They hope this all goes away and they can forget what they helped to promote. Show me someone that wants to forget and move on and I will show you someone on the wrong side of history. That goes for everything including Trump and the Epstein files.

 

[vantexan]

Yes! The whole reason I didn‘t take it was because the “”Front line doctors” said it was useless and would cause problems from the very beginning. They were silence! I knew if people that had everything to lose would speak out against the vax they were right. The ones that was giving a megaphone were the ones that had all to gain, they were wrong. I never wore a mask and I never took the vax because people that spoke against the vac and mask were silenced. That tells it all! Then add common sense on top of what they were saying and anyone should have seen the lies.

Who were these Frontline doctors saying it was useless? The vaccines over time were shown to not prevent infection or transmission. But for a lot of people they also reduced the effects of covid. In spite what some would have you believe some groups, especially the elderly, were susceptible to dying from covid. What wasn't known at the start was who specifically were the vulnerable. As time went by that became much clearer which was where the friction between red states and blue states started. The blue states didn't want to give up their total control while red state administrations saw the shutdowns as doing more harm than good.

 

[Darmark7]

Who were these Frontline doctors saying it was useless? The vaccines over time were shown to not prevent infection or transmission. But for a lot of people they also reduced the effects of covid. In spite what some would have you believe some groups, especially the elderly, were susceptible to dying from covid. What wasn't known at the start was who specifically were the vulnerable. As time went by that became much clearer which was where the friction between red states and blue states started. The blue states didn't want to give up their total control while red state administrations saw the shutdowns as doing more harm than good.

OK.. You need to praise Biden for saving millions of Americans and be upset that he didn’t mandate the vax. If the vax saved millions of people shame on anyone against Biden wanting to mandate the vax. Biden should be praised for saving millions of Americans.

 

[UnionStrong]

Who were these Frontline doctors saying it was useless? The vaccines over time were shown to not prevent infection or transmission. But for a lot of people they also reduced the effects of covid. In spite what some would have you believe some groups, especially the elderly, were susceptible to dying from covid. What wasn't known at the start was who specifically were the vulnerable. As time went by that became much clearer which was where the friction between red states and blue states started. The blue states didn't want to give up their total control while red state administrations saw the shutdowns as doing more harm than good.

And yet, facts show that most people that died had at least 4 co-morbidities. Doubtful the vaccine had any real impact on them or would have. I think the Israeli doctors finally determined that the vaccine had 27 percent efficacy

 

[Darmark7]

After this forum I’m starting to realize how great Biden was and he save millions of people with the vax. I’m standing with @Next Day Err form now on! I can’t wait for him to get back on here to tell him

 

[vantexan]

OK.. You need to praise Biden for saving millions of Americans and be upset that he didn’t mandate the vax. If the vax saved millions of people shame on anyone against Biden wanting to mandate the vax. Biden should be praised for saving millions of Americans.

Trump pushed and supported the vaccines too. And I've already pointed out that I was following it closely and was alarmed about all the sudden deaths by young adults. I never saw the vaccines as our savior but I'm not going to lie and say they had absolutely no benefit. Before the vaccines we not only had thousands of deaths in NY nursing homes but who knows how many deaths in China. People were dropping like flies in Italy. Worldwide millions died. As what usually happens with viruses the initial virus was particularly virile but over time mutations made it less so. To the point the pandemic ended. People getting vaccinated early on didn't prevent the spread but it likely lessened the severity.

 

[Thebrownblob]

After this forum I’m starting to realize how great Biden was and he save millions of people with the vax. I’m standing with @Next Day Err form now on! I can’t wait for him to get back on here to tell him

The Covid years were the most bizarre in my lifetime and maybe anybody’s lifetime. The very fact that we even know what some people vaccine statuses is, is bizarre.

I don’t know and I don’t really care, and no one ever should have.

It certainly did unmasked people who were really just awful people to begin with. Everyone else was just trying to get by.

 

[Darmark7]

Trump pushed and supported the vaccines too. And I've already pointed out that I was following it closely and was alarmed about all the sudden deaths by young adults. I never saw the vaccines as our savior but I'm not going to lie and say they had absolutely no benefit. Before the vaccines we not only had thousands of deaths in NY nursing homes but who knows how many deaths in China. People were dropping like flies in Italy. Worldwide millions died. As what usually happens with viruses the initial virus was particularly virile but over time mutations made it less so. To the point the pandemic ended. People getting vaccinated early on didn't prevent the spread but it likely lessened the severity.

You convinced me. The vaccines were great and saved lives. If Biden would have been able to mandate them we could have saved more lives. I stand with Biden, @Next Day Err, and the democrats! Lord forgive me for my ignorance.

 

[UnionStrong]

Trump pushed and supported the vaccines too. And I've already pointed out that I was following it closely and was alarmed about all the sudden deaths by young adults. I never saw the vaccines as our savior but I'm not going to lie and say they had absolutely no benefit. Before the vaccines we not only had thousands of deaths in NY nursing homes but who knows how many deaths in China. People were dropping like flies in Italy. Worldwide millions died. As what usually happens with viruses the initial virus was particularly virile but over time mutations made it less so. To the point the pandemic ended. People getting vaccinated early on didn't prevent the spread but it likely lessened the severity.

Optimistic

 

[vantexan]

And yet, facts show that most people that died had at least 4 co-morbidities. Doubtful the vaccine had any real impact on them or would have. I think the Israeli doctors finally determined that the vaccine had 27 percent efficacy

When they sent all those infected people into nursing homes they had a huge amount of deaths quickly from people who would've likely died soon. But covid put them over the top. There was a big manufacturing relationship between Wuhan and Milan, Italy with people flying back and forth. Covid exploded in Italy and killed who knows how many. This is the information we had early on. It's not like we could look at it objectively at first and shrug our shoulders, say no big deal. Over time we knew better.

 

[UnionStrong]

When they sent all those infected people into nursing homes they had a huge amount of deaths quickly from people who would've likely died soon. But covid put them over the top. There was a big manufacturing relationship between Wuhan and Milan, Italy with people flying back and forth. Covid exploded in Italy and killed who knows how many. This is the information we had early on. It's not like we could look at it objectively at first and shrug our shoulders, say no big deal. Over time we knew better.

For sure there was a deadly learning curve