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Thebrownblob

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Still debating a simpleton?
Honestly, I think the agenda for public schools was to not have civics taught for a reason so that nobody really knew. Being ignorant and being stupid aren’t the same thing sometimes people are just ignorant and don’t understand or know yet. Really just a failure of our education system, although it might’ve been on purpose.
 

UnionStrong

Sorry, but I don’t care anymore.
Honestly, I think the agenda for public schools was to not have civics taught for a reason so that nobody really knew. Being ignorant and being stupid aren’t the same thing sometimes people are just ignorant and don’t understand or know yet. Really just a failure of our education system, although it might’ve been on purpose.
They have been successful in that regard, he’s a classic example of a person with no real knowledge of what came before. Unfortunately, the only thing to do is call in the exterminator. If this republic is to survive, the tree of liberty must be fertilized with their blood. Sorry, my liberty trumps your derangement.
 

vantexan

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That’s not a precedent we should encourage to continue
One thing to ignore the Supreme Court, but should a federal district judge have the power to stop a president from carrying out his constitutional duties? There are over 600 federal districts and those opposing the administration's agenda can go judge shopping to find one that'll halt proceedings until it can wind its way through the courts. It's obvious that this is the strategy the Left is employing to try and halt, among other things, deportations. Trump has a constitutional duty to remove people here illegally, especially criminals. But the Left is so opposed to anything Trump does that they're even fighting to keep criminals here. So who is really the dictator?
 

Doublestandards

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One thing to ignore the Supreme Court, but should a federal district judge have the power to stop a president from carrying out his constitutional duties?
The president isn’t supposed to be just signing laws on his own. We have Congress and we have checks and balances. Executive orders certainly didn’t start under Trump, and democrats abuse it, but it doesn’t make it right

The courts shut down plenty of Biden rulings, and Trump supporters weren’t upset about that
 

vantexan

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The president isn’t supposed to be just signing laws on his own. We have Congress and we have checks and balances. Executive orders certainly didn’t start under Trump, and democrats abuse it, but it doesn’t make it right

The courts shut down plenty of Biden rulings, and Trump supporters weren’t upset about that
Federal judge just tried to stop Trump from deporting over 200 criminals. That's not executive order stuff. The judiciary is trying to stop him from carrying out constitutionally mandated duties.
 

vantexan

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The president isn’t supposed to be just signing laws on his own. We have Congress and we have checks and balances. Executive orders certainly didn’t start under Trump, and democrats abuse it, but it doesn’t make it right

The courts shut down plenty of Biden rulings, and Trump supporters weren’t upset about that
Can you name some of those shutdown rulings? Biden ignored the courts on student loan forgiveness.
 

Doublestandards

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Federal judge just tried to stop Trump from deporting over 200 criminals. That's not executive order stuff. The judiciary is trying to stop him from carrying out constitutionally mandated duties.

The US district judge James Boasberg of the federal district court in Washington DC agreed on Saturday to issue a temporary restraining order that prevents the Venezuelans’ deportation for 14 days.

“Given the exigent circumstances that it [the court] has been made aware of this morning, it has determined that an immediate Order is warranted to maintain the status quo until a hearing can be set,” Boasberg wrote in his order.

Boasberg’s decision comes in response to a lawsuit filed the same day by the American Civil Liberties Union and Democracy Forward. The organizations charge that the Trump administration unlawfully invokedthe Alien Enemies Act.

In the lawsuit, ACLU and Democracy Forward argued the act has been invoked only three times in the history of the US: the war of 1812, first world war and second world war.

“It cannot be used here against nationals of a country – Venezuela – with whom the United States is not at war, which is not invading the United States and which has not launched a predatory incursion into the United States,” the lawsuit stated.

“The government’s proclamation would allow agents to immediately put noncitizens on planes without any review of any aspect of the determination that they are alien enemies,” the lawsuit added.”


Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

 

vantexan

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The US district judge James Boasberg of the federal district court in Washington DC agreed on Saturday to issue a temporary restraining order that prevents the Venezuelans’ deportation for 14 days.

“Given the exigent circumstances that it [the court] has been made aware of this morning, it has determined that an immediate Order is warranted to maintain the status quo until a hearing can be set,” Boasberg wrote in his order.

Boasberg’s decision comes in response to a lawsuit filed the same day by the American Civil Liberties Union and Democracy Forward. The organizations charge that the Trump administration unlawfully invokedthe Alien Enemies Act.

In the lawsuit, ACLU and Democracy Forward argued the act has been invoked only three times in the history of the US: the war of 1812, first world war and second world war.

“It cannot be used here against nationals of a country – Venezuela – with whom the United States is not at war, which is not invading the United States and which has not launched a predatory incursion into the United States,” the lawsuit stated.

“The government’s proclamation would allow agents to immediately put noncitizens on planes without any review of any aspect of the determination that they are alien enemies,” the lawsuit added.”


Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

Yeah I've seen that. What they don't say is Venezuela emptied its prisons and sent them here. That constitutes an invasion by a foreign government. Trump is absolutely within his rights to deport them. What I don't get is this is an 80/20 issue with most Americans wanting criminal aliens deported. Why would Democrats choose to die on this hill? Don't tell me its about saving democracy. If they cared about that, about protecting our citizens, they'd have never let millions in illegally.
 

Doublestandards

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Yeah I've seen that. What they don't say is Venezuela emptied its prisons and sent them here. That constitutes an invasion by a foreign government.
There is no evidence for that claim. And if evidence emerges, then Trump can provide it to the courts. Thats how this country works
Trump is absolutely within his rights to deport them.

yes he is. And he can follow the law and due processes while doing so
 

vantexan

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There is no evidence for that claim. And if evidence emerges, then Trump can provide it to the courts. Thats how this country works


yes he is. And he can follow the law and due processes while doing so
It is the law that he can deport them. You've got it backwards. Biden ignored the law to allow millions in. Said needed to fix the immigration problem with a new law but Trump shut down the border almost immediately with existing laws. And it's a well known fact that Maduro emptied his prisons and sent them north. And that their crime dropped more than 70% after he got rid of them.
 

Doublestandards

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It is the law that he can deport them. You've got it backwards. Biden ignored the law to allow millions in. Said needed to fix the immigration problem with a new law but Trump shut down the border almost immediately with existing laws. And it's a well known fact that Maduro emptied his prisons and sent them north. And that their crime dropped more than 70% after he got rid of them.
He can deport them, I just said that. He can follow the law and due process. The judge temporarily halted the Aliens Enemies Act for a hearing to take place. It’s completely reasonable
 

vantexan

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He can deport them, I just said that. He can follow the law and due process. The judge temporarily halted the Aliens Enemies Act for a hearing to take place. It’s completely reasonable
Not when the prisoners had already left our airspace and judge ordered them returned. Glad Trump said no. And before too long those in sanctuary cities harboring alien criminals are going to be arrested for interfering with lawful Federal duties if they don't cooperate. Local laws don't supersede Federal law.
 

vantexan

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What a scammer, clearly that guy is just pretending to be Mr. Johnson to maintain the social security benefits for his widow who hid the body.

Thank you Mr Musk, thank you so very much.
And Musk has said mistakes will be made that they will correct. But funny how the Left always finds that one case while ignoring all the waste, fraud, and abuse that they're turning up. Do you want the country to be solvent or do you want it run into the ground? If the latter then by all means vote Democrat and keep the gravy train running.
 

Doublestandards

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And Musk has said mistakes will be made that they will correct. But funny how the Left always finds that one case while ignoring all the waste, fraud, and abuse that they're turning up. Do you want the country to be solvent or do you want it run into the ground? If the latter then by all means vote Democrat and keep the gravy train running.
Have they presented any real evidence of major fraud yet?
 

vantexan

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Have they presented any real evidence of major fraud yet?
They've found billions going to far left liberal programs all over. But the big one was just before the Biden administration left they parked $20 billion in an outside bank with the bank issuing regular payments to 7 NGO's, some newly created, staffed by members of both the Obama and Biden administrations. The payments are paying salaries to all these people which is a loophole they're exploiting. One of them is run by Stacey Abrams. These were EPA funds and the EPA is taking the money back. They had no right to put the money in a bank outside of Federal oversight.

Musk believes in the next two years they will find at least a trillion dollars they can carve out of the budget that won't be missed.
 

Darmark7

Retired 2020. Not my Problem Anymore!
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