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[El Correcto]

Medicare seems to work quite well.

If only our politicians would take out the lobbyist butt-plug and let the government (Medicare and the VA) actually negotiate drug prices, we might get somewhere.

What you’re actually upset about is lobbyist dk crammed down our elected officials throats.

There’s no legitimate reason our healthcare system is so expensive.

I don’t get why y’all are so obsessed with destroying the global engine of prosperity.

You live in a fantasy land where massive government and politicians are truthful and efficient.

 

[BrownFlush]

 

[BrownArmy]

Agree with you on healthcare but would like to hear what the impact on the healthcare industry would be if most/all future patient care were paid for at current Medicare reimbursement rates.

People wouldn’t be charged 4000% for a routine procedure?

I get your question, but, the system we have now has been created by lobbyists and spineless politicians.

There’s a layer of opacity that any single individual cannot overcome.

People say, ‘let the market decide!’

But healthcare in this country doesn’t act under market rules.

It would be the equivalent of you needing tires for your car...if you’re lucky enough to have ‘tire insurance’, you just go to your assigned tire place and they charge you $10,000 per tire, but you don’t see that bill so you’re happy.

If you don’t have ‘tire insurance’, and your poor, the government pays $40,000 for your tires.

If you’re ‘middle income’ and don’t work for a job that supplies ‘tire insurance’, you’re stuck with a $36,000 bill.

How is this rational?

 

[El Correcto]

It’s easy for me to answer any question with a vague theory of how government could answer and it gets even easier when you don’t have to calculate the costs.

I mean c’mon I can’t argue with someone who just blindly says “government government government”

Government is not some infallible unbiased higher power. You might as well be a Christian if you’re going to believe in that leftist dogmatic trash and blindly embrace every government run system these clowns propose.

 

[BrownArmy]

I don’t get why y’all are so obsessed with destroying the global engine of prosperity.

You live in a fantasy land where massive government and politicians are truthful and efficient.

Grow up.

 

[MAKAVELI]

I don’t get why y’all are so obsessed with destroying the global engine of prosperity.

You live in a fantasy land where massive government and politicians are truthful and efficient.

Why would Medicare for all destroy the global engine of prosperity?

 

[Box Ox]

People wouldn’t be charged 4000% for a routine procedure?

I get your question, but, the system we have now has been created by lobbyists and spineless politicians.

There’s a layer of opacity that any single individual cannot overcome.

People say, ‘let the market decide!’

But healthcare in this country doesn’t act under market rules.

It would be the equivalent of you needing tires for your car...if you’re lucky enough to have ‘tire insurance’, you just go to your assigned tire place and they charge you $10,000 per tire, but you don’t see that bill so you’re happy.

If you don’t have ‘tire insurance’, and your poor, the government pays $40,000 for your tires.

If you’re ‘middle income’ and don’t work for a job that supplies ‘tire insurance’, you’re stuck with a $36,000 bill.

How is this rational?

Agree. The idea that the "invisible hand" of the free market might yet sort out the Country's healthcare system problems is ing preposterous.

 

[tonyexpress]

Why would Medicare for all destroy the global engine of prosperity?

$30 + Trillion and the Government running it for starters.

 

[El Correcto]

Agree. The idea that the "invisible hand" of the free market might yet sort out the Country's healthcare system problems is ing preposterous.

Government caused this mess to begin with friend. I know you live in a UPS bubble but Obama didn’t lower healthcare costs with government intervention, he raised them. Government guaranteed equality usually ends in the highest wealth gaps and inequality seen in the world. We will all be equal trash while the bourgeois government officials are de facto royalty.

 

[BrownArmy]

Agree. The idea that the "invisible hand" of the free market might yet sort out the Country's healthcare system problems is ing preposterous.

The nutballs thing is, it might, and maybe could, if our elected officials didn’t handicap the entire system.

 

[bacha29]

I don’t throw in the towel for free markets and demand the government “fix” everything.

How do you sit there with your wonderful healthcare and think yes I need ty government healthcare. That would be amazing to get taxed at a higher rate for much less.

Ever hear of the McClarran- Ferguson Act? It's the law that grants the states the right to regulate insurance markets within their own states.
You often hear the nonsense about being able to purchase health insurance from out of state insurers. Well in recent months 5 states have thrown open their health insurance markets to out of state health insurers. How many insurers have bit on it?...Zero. Why? The startup costs. Creating an insurance package that the state insurance commission would approve. Creating a network of providers and negotiating a fee structure . Reaching a deal with brokers willing to offer it. Putting it all together into a policy that is competitively priced in an already crowded market and you don't know if anybody's going to buy it or not.
A few weeks ago an independent hospital in a nearby county and the only hospital in that county had to be taken over by a larger hospital system. The new owners immediately went in and permanently laid off 44 people citing the fact that the hospital lost 23 million dollars over the past 3 years and they still offer no guarantees that they can turn it around. The reason for the staggering loses? Should come as no surprise......UNCOMPENSATED CARE. Too many people with no insurance or were flat out unwilling to pay walking out the door and stiffing the hospital.
This is not an isolated case. Happens to hospitals all over the country . And while it's not going to happen today and it's not going to happen tomorrow but sooner or later if you want medical care you will have to pay for it one way or the other . Very similar to many states whereby if you don't have car insurance you don't drive. No more of this stiffing the healthcare provider.

If a public option will bring an end the practice of patients not paying their medical bills then no matter what you cluckers think it will simply have to become law. And rest assured millions of cluckers will happily sign up for it and will be damn glad they've got it if it's their only affordable option .

 

[BrownArmy]

$30 + Trillion and the Government running it for starters.

As opposed to the $45 Trillion it’s expected to cost, as is?

Lulz

 

[Box Ox]

I know you live in a UPS bubble but Obama didn’t lower healthcare costs with government intervention, he raised them.

Indeed. It's why private health insurance company stocks shot up after passage of the Affordable Care Act. It helped provide private insurance without addressing the cost end of the equation. Medicare does that.

 

[MAKAVELI]

$30 + Trillion and the Government running it for starters.

As opposed to the $45 Trillion it’s expected to cost, as is?

Lulz

Yep, that's what it costs when a country makes healthcare a for profit industry. Ttku @tonyexpress .

 

[rickyb]

guys need to start using dynamite and grenade launchers.

this gun stuff is getting old.

 

[El Correcto]

I like the libertarian stance on healthcare. I’m not ready to embrace government as some perfect entity with all the answers. Be honest with yourself looking at Trump and the Democrats, these people don’t know what they are doing they just want power and are corrupt clowns.


It’s easy to be starry eyed and naive when it comes to people proposing Marxism. I mean hell sign me up for universal basic income, healthcare, housing, retirement, guaranteed jobs, free college and a place to stick my children while I go enjoy all the perks of communism. A society with out racism and mass shooting, one where I don’t need a fire arm because there are no bad people hurting other.

I would love to see this perfect world.

 

[El Correcto]

As opposed to the $45 Trillion it’s expected to cost, as is?

Lulz

Yes because they destroyed it.

 

[tonyexpress]

Yep, that's what it costs when a country makes healthcare a for profit industry. Ttku @tonyexpress .

Sure, I'll Ttku. Lmao. Medicare for all without the option to keep what you have if you like it or have another option other than the government makes sense. Keep on keeping on with your BIG ASS government.

 

[MAKAVELI]

Sure, I'll Ttku. Lmao. Medicare for all without the option to keep what you have if you like it or have another option other than the government makes sense. Keep on keeping on with your BIG ASS government.

Canada has both government provided and an option to purchase additional private insurance. Ttku.....

 

[Box Ox]

Canada has both government provided and an option to purchase additional private insurance. Ttku.....

That's why I hope the Democratic Presidential candidates will at least temper their positions from "No more private health insurance, period" to "Let's keep some private options like Canada, the UK and others have if we're going to do this thing."