Elon Musk Exposes the Hatred of Free Speech

floridays

Well-Known Member
My faith is in Jesus Christ.
No, clearly your faith is in your "obedience."

You have mentioned that many times. You are still under the law.
Matthew 16:24-26

Do you bear your cross daily?
No.
I don't have a cross to bear.
I can't bear a cross, Jesus bore it for me.
If I could or had to, God the Father would still not be satisfied.
Cross bearing is only fulfilled by a sinless bearer.

How ya gettin along Fred? :thumbup1:
 

Fred's Myth

Nonhyphenated American
All the evidence in the immediate context and in the Greek points to Peter's CONFESSION , "Thou art the Christ the Son of the living God" as the rock foundation on which the church the Lord built and established beginning in Jerusalem in Acts 2.
That conclusion harmonizes with the rest of the New Testament which categorically states, "Other foundations can no man lay than that which is laid which is Jesus Christ." Peter is not the foundation of the Church; therefore, he is not the(a) Pope.
Bold proclamation. "All" is disproven by a single point of evidence to the contrary. Is your evidentiary case airtight?
 

Fred's Myth

Nonhyphenated American
No, clearly your faith is in your "obedience."

You have mentioned that many times. You are still under the law.

No.
I don't have a cross to bear.
I can't bear a cross, Jesus bore it for me.
If I could or had to, God the Father would still not be satisfied.
Cross bearing is only fulfilled by a sinless bearer.

How ya gettin along Fred? :thumbup1:
I'm great, hope you're doing as well!

Having fun on here tweaking everyone's faith, a pre-Easter gift that comes from a manger instead of a basket.

We agree that salvation comes only through Jesus. What the Church has instituted as doctrine has as its sole purpose our edification and awareness of that fact. Proselytization of salvation for the sinner is a difficult task for mere humans.
 

BrownFlush

Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
Priests who were infused with the Holy Spirit through the laying of hands, a tradition unbroken since the Apostles.
Wrong.

Simon the Sorcerer rightly observed, “that through laying on of the APOSTLES' hands the Holy Ghost was given” (Acts 8:18).
What was given to Christians by the Apostles hands was the power to preform miracles to confirm what being taught was from God. Christians( your man Peter calls them royal priest, a priesthood that is spiritual, built up in a spiritual household (the church) had the ability to preform miracles by the power from the Holy Spirit via the Apostles.
Why? There was no written word. How did people believe the gospel was the truth from God when they heard it being preached? What they taught was confirmed by miracles.

That tradition was broken and has ended. Why? Only the Apostles hands could impart power to someone else. A person who had been given the ability to preform a miracle from an Apostle to establish the truth, could not lay their hands on someone and impart ability to do miracles.
When the last person died that the last living Apostle laid their hands on, the "tradition" as you called it, died.
Paul explains it all in 1 Cor. 12 &13
 

floridays

Well-Known Member
Bold proclamation. "All" is disproven by a single point of evidence to the contrary. Is your evidentiary case airtight?
Fred, In the Catholic faith what is the position Peter held, and is his position translated to the position of the Pope.

In your faith is the Pope seen as a mediator between God and man, likewise does the parish priest hold the same position between parishoners and God in the local setting?
 

floridays

Well-Known Member
I'm great, hope you're doing as well!

Having fun on here tweaking everyone's faith, a pre-Easter gift that comes from a manger instead of a basket.

We agree that salvation comes only through Jesus. What the Church has instituted as doctrine has as its sole purpose our edification and awareness of that fact. Proselytization of salvation for the sinner is a difficult task for mere humans.
I am, Thank You for the well wish.
 

floridays

Well-Known Member
You know nothing.

I measured.
I judged you a dip s:censored2:t.
Non responsive.
You cannot answer, in doing so you will deny one or the other.
I know your doctrine, you know I do.
I read your spew long ago and asked you if you were church of christ.

How are you doing in maintaining those good works?

I'll ask again,
Do you have eternal life? The bible says you can know, do you know?

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
 
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BrownFlush

Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
No responsive.
You cannot answer, in doing so you will deny one or the other.
I know your doctrine, you know I do.
I read your spew long ago and asked you if you were church of christ.

How are you doing in maintaining those good works?

I'll ask again,
Do you have eternal life? The bible says you can know, do you know?

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Wasted days and wasted nights.
You know nothing.

I measured.
I judged you a dip s:censored2:t.
That puts me in good shape. The bar is really low.
 

floridays

Well-Known Member
I know your doctrine, I do know that it does not comply with this
You know nothing.
I guess I don't,
from over a year ago

There is no argument. The passage says what it says.
Secondly, We still sin. We can have forgiveness if one repents, one of the conditions of forgiveness ( thanks to the cross)
You sound like the cross bought every one a one way ticket to the Pearly Gates unconditionally This is not taught in scripture.
@Integrity, you asked his denomination he would not answer directly, I'll answer for him church of Christ.

On target flush?


 

BrownFlush

Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
I guess I don't,
from over a year ago


@Integrity, you asked his denomination he would not answer directly, I'll answer for him church of Christ.

On target flush?


Is there a point you are trying to make?

A church of Christ doctrine is nonexistent. There is no church of Christ doctrine like there is a Catholic doctrine, Baptist doctrine.A Methodist Discipline , Etc.
The teaching (doctrine ) of the only church(a denomination is foreign to the New Testament) found in the New Testament is the New Testament.

You know nothing of what the New Testament teaches so you know nothing of the doctrine of the New Testament church.
 
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floridays

Well-Known Member
Wasted days and wasted nights.
I love the way you try and bust balls, demanding an answer, yet never giving a meaningful answer to a question when asked.

Is it true that you have no idea of your eternal home before you die.

I've never had one church of christ say they knew where their eternal residence will be.

"I'll know when I die," is the standard answer, true to your church teachings.

How about you, another chance, deny your church and agree with scripture.

1 John 5:13

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
https://www.browncafe.com/community...-integrity-on-topic-only”.389390/post-4755299
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
I love the way you try and bust balls, demanding an answer, yet never giving a meaningful answer to a question when asked.

Is it true that you have no idea of your eternal home before you die.

I've never had one church of christ say they knew where their eternal residence will be.

"I'll know when I die," is the standard answer, true to your church teachings.

How about you, another chance, deny your church and agree with scripture.

1 John 5:13

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
https://www.browncafe.com/community...-integrity-on-topic-only”.389390/post-4755299
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't you believe that once saved there's no way you can lose your salvation? So if you get drunk or screw around it's ok? The Apostle Paul in Romans 6 talked about not continuing in sin after being saved by grace. To my knowledge there's just no justification for doing whatever you like because God won't take your salvation from you. But there's numerous passages dealing with Christians living sinful lives and losing their soul. Paul talked about controlling himself lest while preaching to others he himself should be a castaway. Any doctrine that would convince people that once saved always saved and they can continue to sin might sound attractive, but it's a false doctrine.
 

BrownFlush

Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
I love the way you try and bust balls, demanding an answer, yet never giving a meaningful answer to a question when asked.

Is it true that you have no idea of your eternal home before you die.

I've never had one church of christ say they knew where their eternal residence will be.

"I'll know when I die," is the standard answer, true to your church teachings.

How about you, another chance, deny your church and agree with scripture.

1 John 5:13

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
https://www.browncafe.com/community/threads/“the-body-of-christ”-with-integrity-on-topic-only”.389390/post-4755299
God definitely gives me assurance of my salvation.
There is nothing that brings more spiritual comfort and joy than having divine assurance. This divine assurance can only come as a result of the combined testimony of the Spirit of God ( the Words written by him in 1John 5) and the spirit of man (me). Rom.8:16

When I know that I have complied with God's conditions of pardon ( you haven't )as witnessed by his Spirit (what He has written), and that I am living daily in such a way as to manifest the fruits of the Spirit (he wrote those down also), then I able to approach God confidently and boldly
And with this confident approach toward God, then comes the "peace that passeth understanding." My life has joy that is unspeakable.
 

floridays

Well-Known Member
Is there a point you are trying to make?

A church of Christ doctrine is nonexistent. There is no church of Christ doctrine like there is a Catholic doctrine, Baptist doctrine.A Methodist Discipline , Etc.
The teaching (doctrine ) of the only church(a denomination is foreign to the New Testament) found in the New Testament is the New Testament.

You know nothing of what the New Testament teaches so you know nothing of the doctrine of the New Testament church.
Split hairs, Your doctrine is what you teach.
In what you posted above you affirm some of what is offered below.
I know the shed blood of Jesus Christ, on my behalf for me personally has washed away, cleared, blotted out a debt I had with God the Father. You wish you had the assurance I have, your just to proud to kneel at the foot of the cross and trust the finished work of the Lamb of God, Jesus.

Your faith:
DOCTRINAL SUMMARY OF THE CHURCH OF CHRIST

They believe that their group has restored the New Testament church—"the ancient order." All other groups are in error, lost, and apostate.​

They reject denominationalism and believe that they themselves are not a denomination. This is an unquestioned orthodoxy and they are careful not to use the term "other denominations" as that would include themselves in the denominational world.​

They often deny that there are true Christians in the denominational world.​

They put very high emphasis on "wearing the right name," which means that any group that does not call itself the "church of Christ" cannot be part of the true church. (The word church in church of Christ often has a lower case c, implying that they themselves are the church universal.)​

They shun the use of the historic creeds and confessions of Christendom and believe that they have no creed themselves, relying only on the Bible. Their views, however, are in print in journals and numerous tracts. And they are famous for the creed-like formula: "Hear, Believe, Repent, Confess, and Be Baptized."​

The gospel is often defined in terms of what a person must do to be saved—"obey the gospel." This is distinctly different from other Christian groups who understand the gospel to be the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus for the forgiveness of sins.​

Baptism is only by immersion and it is an unstated inference that baptism can only be performed by another member of the Church of Christ. It is crucial that the one being baptized understand that his baptism is specifically for the remission of sins. Anyone not baptized by this formula is doomed to hell. (They even pronounce the word baptized differently by placing the accent on the second syllable.)​

They believe that the New Testament is primarily a new legal code—the Law of Christ—that replaces the one of the Old Testament. One must follow rigidly the New Testament by their hermeneutic formula (Bible interpretation) of "Direct Command, Approved Example, and Necessary Inference"—although exactly what examples are "approved" and what inferences are "necessary" divide the various factions within the group. No faction, however, ever provides a list of exactly what things one must do to be saved.​

They believe in patternism, that is, they attempt to copy what they think the earliest Christians did in their life and worship. They find patternism to be a necessary inference that must be rigidly followed in order to be pleasing to God (and thus saved).​

This approach, they believe, leads to certain important conclusions such as the prohibition of instrumental music in worship.​

They generally reject the Old Testament except in such instances that they find passages in the Old Testament that lend support to their doctrine.​

According to historian Richard Hughes (see bibliography), grace is understood by the CC as something that God is obligated to give the believer who is obedient—though they would not phrase it this way. They will say that we are saved by grace, but . . . . It's what comes after the "but" that is important. What comes after the "but" is not consistent among them; here are some answers they may give: (a) God's grace provides a "way" to salvation, but it's up to us to save ourselves. (b) We are saved by grace up to the time of baptism and then is up to us to maintain our salvation by obedience. (c) Our response to God's grace is essential to receive the free gift of salvation, but that response involves "works of obedience" and not "works of merit." They do not see grace as the regeneration of our dead spirits, as a work of God apart from anything we do or can do.​

They may also believe that grace is what God bestows to one who has done everything he can to be obedient. Again, while they may not state it in exactly these terms, we think that it is a necessary inference from their theology; thus grace is the small remaining step that remains toward salvation after one is correctly obedient. God fills the gap with his grace. (Interestingly, this is the same view of grace held by Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses.)​

When asked how they know that they are saved, they will probably say something like, "I have been obedient" or "I have been pleasing to God."

The role of Christ, and thus the atonement, was merely for the purpose of displaying God's love for man and giving him a law to obey that would bring life. Christ is said to save by furnishing man an example. He simply showed man how to save himself.​

Their theology may be either semi-Pelagian (salvation by works plus God's grace) or full-Pelagian (God's grace and the righteousness of Christ may be nice to have, but are not necessary for salvation because one can save himself by obedience).​

Despite their emphasis on patternism, works righteousness, the Law of Christ, and their view of grace that is similar to the pseudo-Christian cults, they deny that they are legalists.​

The Holy Spirit is not well defined and is limited in his activities. The Holy Spirit is often said to be either not active today, or the Holy Spirit's activities may be limited to the words of the New Testament, or that the Spirit's activities are limited to helping us understand the Bible. In any case, they see the Holy Spirit's activities in a much more confined role than other Christians. So the Holy Spirit becomes, in a sense, the same as the Bible. There is little or no place for the Holy Spirit in regeneration or sanctification. Some even reject the notion that the Holy Spirit indwells a person, despite numerous mentions of this in the New Testament.​

They deny (vehemently) the historic Christian doctrine of Original Sin, even though they may admit that (a) everyone sins, and (b) children have to be taught not to be sinful. Thus man sins, not because of any corruption in his nature, but because of his lack of understanding or simple stubbornness. This is a view they share with non-Christian groups: Muslims, communists, eastern religions, Mormons, and Jehovah's Witnesses.​

 
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