Elon Musk Exposes the Hatred of Free Speech

floridays

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Correct me if I'm wrong but don't you believe that once saved there's no way you can lose your salvation? So if you get drunk or screw around it's ok? The Apostle Paul in Romans 6 talked about not continuing in sin after being saved by grace. To my knowledge there's just no justification for doing whatever you like because God won't take your salvation from you. But there's numerous passages dealing with Christians living sinful lives and losing their soul. Paul talked about controlling himself lest while preaching to others he himself should be a castaway. Any doctrine that would convince people that once saved always saved and they can continue to sin might sound attractive, but it's a false doctrine.
Define two words for me.

The first word is eternal the second would be life.
When you come to grips with those meanings you might understand.

There is not an instance of a redeemed sinner losing his soul. It doesn't exist.

I never use the term once saved always saved, it's a term religious people use that do not understand redemption or being purchased.
Quite frankly I despise religion, it sends people to hell. Religion is nothing more than man attempting to work his way or please God.

You have made some assertions that I don't support and don't see how you can ask me to support or defend them because nothing I have said supports those views.

You just keep working your plan though, the end is destruction.
 

floridays

Well-Known Member
I love the way you try and bust balls, demanding an answer, yet never giving a meaningful answer to a question when asked.

Is it true that you have no idea of your eternal home before you die.

I've never had one church of christ say they knew where their eternal residence will be.

"I'll know when I die," is the standard answer, true to your church teachings.

How about you, another chance, deny your church and agree with scripture.

1 John 5:13

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
https://www.browncafe.com/community/threads/“the-body-of-christ”-with-integrity-on-topic-only”.389390/post-4755299
Still no verbal response.
 

floridays

Well-Known Member
@BrownFlush
I trusted the scripture, I believed God and still do about the mission and the precise reason He sent His son to the cross. The Blood of Jesus was shed as a full payment for my sins.

I have been baptized, publicly, I confess Jesus is Lord and that God the Father raised Him from the dead and currently Jesus sits at the right hand of God the Father offering intercession for me constantly.

My question,
Will I live with God eternally, do I have assurance of eternal life or what must I do to be saved?

Very simple question.
You too @vantexan, give it a shot.

I expect tex to offer an answer, I expect crickets or a non responsive response from @BrownFlush.
 
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floridays

Well-Known Member
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't you believe that once saved there's no way you can lose your salvation? So if you get drunk or screw around it's ok? The Apostle Paul in Romans 6 talked about not continuing in sin after being saved by grace. To my knowledge there's just no justification for doing whatever you like because God won't take your salvation from you. But there's numerous passages dealing with Christians living sinful lives and losing their soul. Paul talked about controlling himself lest while preaching to others he himself should be a castaway. Any doctrine that would convince people that once saved always saved and they can continue to sin might sound attractive, but it's a false doctrine.
I went back and reread your post.
I understand exactly what you were saying now, point made.


2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Point made, point received.
 

BigGuy2732

Well-Known Member
Protestants cherry pick scripture up and down. When they get to judgment they’re gonna be like but the original Greek said that rock means that!!!

Depart from me, I don’t know you.
 

BigGuy2732

Well-Known Member
Except that Jesus spoke Aramaic, not Greek.
It's pointless to argue with them, as you can tell here. They've made up their minds and their necks are stiff and hearts hard. I am a former Protestant and through my own conversion it almost had nothing to do with engaging Catholics and everything with me going back and reading the actual Church Fathers and coming face to face with the fact that my religion was a man made one.
 

BrownFlush

Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
Still no verbal response.
You miss a lot...
God definitely gives me assurance of my salvation.
There is nothing that brings more spiritual comfort and joy than having divine assurance. This divine assurance can only come as a result of the combined testimony of the Spirit of God ( the Words written by him in 1John 5) and the spirit of man (me). Rom.8:16

When I know that I have complied with God's conditions of pardon ( you haven't )as witnessed by his Spirit (what He has written), and that I am living daily in such a way as to manifest the fruits of the Spirit (he wrote those down also), then I able to approach God confidently and boldly
And with this confident approach toward God, then comes the "peace that passeth understanding." My life has joy that is unspeakable.
 

UnionStrong

Sorry, but I don’t care anymore.
It's pointless to argue with them, as you can tell here. They've made up their minds and their necks are stiff and hearts hard. I am a former Protestant and through my own conversion it almost had nothing to do with engaging Catholics and everything with me going back and reading the actual Church Fathers and coming face to face with the fact that my religion was a man made one.
Then you are truly lost.
 

bottomups

Bad Moon Risen'
🤣 go worship a statue.
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Fred's Myth

Nonhyphenated American
Fred, In the Catholic faith what is the position Peter held, and is his position translated to the position of the Pope.

In your faith is the Pope seen as a mediator between God and man, likewise does the parish priest hold the same position between parishoners and God in the local setting?
Peter was the successor to Jesus as the perpetual, and visible principle and foundation of unity between the entire priesthood (catechists) and the faithful.

The Pope has the responsibility to preempt false doctrine that threatens the salvation of all.

Priests have the responsibility to celebrate the Mass (LastSupper), and administer the sacraments.

They are mediators only in the sense that they continue the work that Jesus started, and are guided by the Holy Spirit, ideally.

They are also humans, and as such are imperfect. Thus the need for an institution (Church) to define and defend what Jesus established.
 

Fred's Myth

Nonhyphenated American
My question,
Will I live with God eternally, do I have assurance of eternal life or what must I do to be saved?
Cast off your earthly garments, and clothe yourself with Jesus, and follow in His footsteps.

Establishing precisely what that means is where the disagreements originate.
 

BrownFlush

Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
@BrownFlush
I trusted the scripture, I believed God and still do about the mission and the precise reason He sent His son to the cross. The Blood of Jesus was shed as a full payment for my sins.

I have been baptized, publicly, I confess Jesus is Lord and that God the Father raised Him from the dead and currently Jesus sits at the right hand of God the Father offering intercession for me constantly.

My question,
Will I live with God eternally, do I have assurance of eternal life or what must I do to be saved?

Very simple question.
You too @vantexan, give it a shot.

I expect tex to offer an answer, I expect crickets or a non responsive response from @BrownFlush.
Just two verses for the sake being brief and your limited ability.

Mark 16:15 &16 - And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

In this verse as well as many others...AND is a conjunction and joins together belief AND baptism to equal salvation.

What is the gospel? Well, it's the birth, and life, and death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Jesus also says that V16 is part of the gospel (good news) that is to be preached every where and to everybody.
Jesus said belief and baptism was to be preached for salvation.

You made a bold print statement that he didn't finish with "and be baptized not" . I explained and you didn't respond. Think on this: He he goes to the door AND walks to the mailbox, gets the mail. He who does not go to the door, will not get the mail.
I didn't need to say in the second sentence, and walks to the mailbox because if you don't go to the door you're not going to be walking.

Hope this helps...

Jesus said: Belief + Baptism = Saved
1 + 2 = 3

Atheist say: 0 + 0 = 0 Don't believe, don't submit to baptism because being saved doesn't matter.

You say: 1 + 0 = 3 Faith only

Catholics: 2 + 0 = 3 Baptizing babies are not candidates because they do not have the ability to believe.
 

Fred's Myth

Nonhyphenated American
"God, infinitely perfect and blessed in Himself, in a plan of sheer goodness freely created man to make him share in his own blessed life. For this reason, at every time and in every place, God draws close to man. He calls man to seek Him, to know Him, to love Him with all his strength. He calls together all men, scattered and divided by sin, into the unity of his family, the Church. To accomplish this, when the fullness of time had come, God sent His Son as Redeemer and Saviour. In his Son and through Him, He invites men to become, in the Holy Spirit, His adopted children and thus heirs of His blessed life.

So that this call should resound throughout the world, Christ sent forth the apostles He had chosen, commissioning them to proclaim the gospel: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age."4 Strengthened by this mission, the apostles "went forth and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them and confirmed the message by the signs that attended it."

Those who with God's help have welcomed Christ's call and freely responded to it are urged on by love of Christ to proclaim the Good News everywhere in the world. This treasure, received from the apostles, has been faithfully guarded by their successors. All Christ's faithful are called to hand it on from generation to generation, by professing the faith, by living it in fraternal sharing, and by celebrating it in liturgy and prayer."

Quoted from vatican.va.
 

Fred's Myth

Nonhyphenated American
Just two verses for the sake being brief and your limited ability.

Mark 16:15 &16 - And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

In this verse as well as many others...AND is a conjunction and joins together belief AND baptism to equal salvation.

What is the gospel? Well, it's the birth, and life, and death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Jesus also says that V16 is part of the gospel (good news) that is to be preached every where and to everybody.
Jesus said belief and baptism was to be preached for salvation.

You made a bold print statement that he didn't finish with "and be baptized not" . I explained and you didn't respond. Think on this: He he goes to the door AND walks to the mailbox, gets the mail. He who does not go to the door, will not get the mail.
I didn't need to say in the second sentence, and walks to the mailbox because if you don't go to the door you're not going to be walking.

Hope this helps...

Jesus said: Belief + Baptism = Saved
1 + 2 = 3

Atheist say: 0 + 0 = 0 Don't believe, don't submit to baptism because being saved doesn't matter.

You say: 1 + 0 = 3 Faith only

Catholics: 2 + 0 = 3 Baptizing babies are not candidates because they do not have the ability to believe.
Sola scriptura, much?

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Fred's Myth

Nonhyphenated American
@BrownFlush
I trusted the scripture, I believed God and still do about the mission and the precise reason He sent His son to the cross. The Blood of Jesus was shed as a full payment for my sins.

I have been baptized, publicly, I confess Jesus is Lord and that God the Father raised Him from the dead and currently Jesus sits at the right hand of God the Father offering intercession for me constantly.

My question,
Will I live with God eternally, do I have assurance of eternal life or what must I do to be saved?

Very simple question.
You too @vantexan, give it a shot.

I expect tex to offer an answer, I expect crickets or a non responsive response from @BrownFlush.
The Catholic Catechism response:

One Baptism for the Forgiveness of Sins

Our Lord tied the forgiveness of sins to faith and Baptism: "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to the whole creation. He who believes and is baptized will be saved."Mk 16:15-16 Baptism is the first and chief sacrament of forgiveness of sins because it unites us with Christ, who died for our sins and rose for our justification, so that "we too might walk in newness of life."Rom 6:4; Cf. 4:25

"When we made our first profession of faith while receiving the holy Baptism that cleansed us, the forgiveness we received then was so full and complete that there remained in us absolutely nothing left to efface, neither original sin nor offenses committed by our own will, nor was there left any penalty to suffer in order to expiate them.... Yet the grace of Baptism delivers no one from all the weakness of nature. On the contrary, we must still combat the movements of concupiscence that never cease leading us into evil "

In this battle against our inclination towards evil, who could be brave and watchful enough to escape every wound of sin? "If the Church has the power to forgive sins, then Baptism cannot be her only means of using the keys of the Kingdom of heaven received from Jesus Christ. the Church must be able to forgive all penitents their offenses, even if they should sin until the last moment of their lives."

It is through the sacrament of Penance that the baptized can be reconciled with God and with the Church:

Penance has rightly been called by the holy Fathers "a laborious kind of baptism." This sacrament of Penance is necessary for salvation for those who have fallen after Baptism, just as Baptism is necessary for salvation for those who have not yet been reborn.

vatican.va
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
@BrownFlush
I trusted the scripture, I believed God and still do about the mission and the precise reason He sent His son to the cross. The Blood of Jesus was shed as a full payment for my sins.

I have been baptized, publicly, I confess Jesus is Lord and that God the Father raised Him from the dead and currently Jesus sits at the right hand of God the Father offering intercession for me constantly.

My question,
Will I live with God eternally, do I have assurance of eternal life or what must I do to be saved?

Very simple question.
You too @vantexan, give it a shot.

I expect tex to offer an answer, I expect crickets or a non responsive response from @BrownFlush.
It's not complicated. When I came up out of the water when baptized I was in a saved state. My past sins were washed away. It's up to me to live my life in such a way that on the Day of Judgement I will be admitted into heaven. I do not have to be perfect. God judges my heart. But I will be judged. All of us will. If it isn't necessary to live the Christian life to enter into Heaven there would be no need for judgement for Christians. You said there's never been an instance of a redeemed sinner losing his soul. How would you know that? The Day of Judgement hasn't arrived. This isn't a matter of rival ideologies competing for your church membership. Our soul is the most precious thing we have. It matters that we get this right. When you've asked me as you have about women in the past I know we're told to flee fornication. I can't live my life just like any other non-Christian and be pleasing to God. And I'm by no means perfect. I have to make an effort. Thinking that I'm saved no matter what I do will certainly lead to my destruction.
 
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