Fascism

[rickyb]

Nando
@nandorvila
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The Democratic Party is more committed to stopping mild social democracy than to stopping fascism. They would rather lose to Trump than give the citizens of this dying, decrepit empire the same basic rights the average European citizen takes for granted.

 

[rickyb]

trump wants to call bernie a commie or socialist but bernie can call trump a fascist or at least neo fascist

 

[oldngray]

Fascists are just socialists by another name.

 

[Old Man Jingles]

trump wants to call bernie a commie or socialist but bernie can call trump a fascist or at least neo fascist

Care to give your definition of Fascist since the normal definition of Fascist applies to Bernie more than Trump?

 

[Old Man Jingles]

Fascists are just socialists by another name.

There are similarities but there are essential differences.

Clearly, fascism and socialism differ on many fundamental aspects.

• Far-right vs far-left
• Primacy of the nation vs protection of everyone’s rights
• Private property vs public/social ownership

Despite their apparent opposition and the historical paths that have led to the striking contrasts between the two ideologies, socialism and fascism have important features in common.

• They are both strong ideology
• They both imply strong governmental involvement in economic and social life
• They both have the power to create strong social movements
• They both oppose free market
• They both need a strong governmental apparatus and a strong leader

Socialism and fascism are two strong ideologies, which have been able to create cohesive and powerful social movements. Rarely, during history, have we witnessed such influential and fast-growing social involvement and participation in political life.

1. In the case of socialism, masses mobilize and support the idea of equal development, equal share of wealth, social equality, enhancement of the community, and collective values. Socialism unites masses under the umbrella of equality, not supremacy.
2. In the case of fascism, masses mobilize for the achievement of national and racial supremacy over all other countries, over all other minorities, and over all other nations. The idea of equality is alien to the fascism paradigm, while the concept of superiority is pivotal.

In sum
Throughout history, socialism and fascism have been portrayed as opposing and contrasting all-encompassing-theories. Indeed, our recent past provides us with several examples of fascist thinking opposing social thinking, and vice versa.

As we have seen, the two theories originate from opposing values:
Socialism strives for an equal society, and is based on the idea of democratic ownership, and redistribution of wealth.
Fascism strives for the imposition of national and racial superiority, and advocates for economic growth fostered by national companies and corporations.

Read more: Difference between socialism and fascism | Difference

 

[rickyb]

Care to give your definition of Fascist since the normal definition of Fascist applies to Bernie more than Trump?

to me its when you scape goat immigrants, minorities, gays, etc with more authoritarianism and strongman actions. but dont take my definition theres better ones out there. its like an expanded nationalism to racism

 

[oldngray]

There are similarities but there are essential differences.

Clearly, fascism and socialism differ on many fundamental aspects.

• Far-right vs far-left
• Primacy of the nation vs protection of everyone’s rights
• Private property vs public/social ownership

Despite their apparent opposition and the historical paths that have led to the striking contrasts between the two ideologies, socialism and fascism have important features in common.

• They are both strong ideology
• They both imply strong governmental involvement in economic and social life
• They both have the power to create strong social movements
• They both oppose free market
• They both need a strong governmental apparatus and a strong leader

Socialism and fascism are two strong ideologies, which have been able to create cohesive and powerful social movements. Rarely, during history, have we witnessed such influential and fast-growing social involvement and participation in political life.

1. In the case of socialism, masses mobilize and support the idea of equal development, equal share of wealth, social equality, enhancement of the community, and collective values. Socialism unites masses under the umbrella of equality, not supremacy.
2. In the case of fascism, masses mobilize for the achievement of national and racial supremacy over all other countries, over all other minorities, and over all other nations. The idea of equality is alien to the fascism paradigm, while the concept of superiority is pivotal.

In sum
Throughout history, socialism and fascism have been portrayed as opposing and contrasting all-encompassing-theories. Indeed, our recent past provides us with several examples of fascist thinking opposing social thinking, and vice versa.

As we have seen, the two theories originate from opposing values:
Socialism strives for an equal society, and is based on the idea of democratic ownership, and redistribution of wealth.
Fascism strives for the imposition of national and racial superiority, and advocates for economic growth fostered by national companies and corporations.

Read more: Difference between socialism and fascism | Difference

In theory they are different. In theory.

Not how it ends up in the real world.

 

[Old Man Jingles]

In theory they are different. In theory.

Not how it ends up in the real world.

I agree, in the real world, they both end up:

• Killing many of their citizens that don't conform
• Control and/or own the country's means of production ... neither has free markets
• Lack of individual freedoms
• Strong centralized governments

 

[Old Man Jingles]

to me its when you scape goat immigrants, minorities, gays, etc
with more authoritarianism and strongman actions.
but don't take my definition there's better ones out there. its like an expanded nationalism to racism

Both have "more authoritarianism and strongman actions".

 

[Sportello]

There are similarities but there are essential differences.

Clearly, fascism and socialism differ on many fundamental aspects.

• Far-right vs far-left
• Primacy of the nation vs protection of everyone’s rights
• Private property vs public/social ownership

Despite their apparent opposition and the historical paths that have led to the striking contrasts between the two ideologies, socialism and fascism have important features in common.

• They are both strong ideology
• They both imply strong governmental involvement in economic and social life
• They both have the power to create strong social movements
• They both oppose free market
• They both need a strong governmental apparatus and a strong leader

Socialism and fascism are two strong ideologies, which have been able to create cohesive and powerful social movements. Rarely, during history, have we witnessed such influential and fast-growing social involvement and participation in political life.

1. In the case of socialism, masses mobilize and support the idea of equal development, equal share of wealth, social equality, enhancement of the community, and collective values. Socialism unites masses under the umbrella of equality, not supremacy.
2. In the case of fascism, masses mobilize for the achievement of national and racial supremacy over all other countries, over all other minorities, and over all other nations. The idea of equality is alien to the fascism paradigm, while the concept of superiority is pivotal.

In sum
Throughout history, socialism and fascism have been portrayed as opposing and contrasting all-encompassing-theories. Indeed, our recent past provides us with several examples of fascist thinking opposing social thinking, and vice versa.

As we have seen, the two theories originate from opposing values:
Socialism strives for an equal society, and is based on the idea of democratic ownership, and redistribution of wealth.
Fascism strives for the imposition of national and racial superiority, and advocates for economic growth fostered by national companies and corporations.

Read more: Difference between socialism and fascism | Difference

Cult 45 sounds a lot like Fascism.

 

[El Correcto]

Cult 45

And two zig zags, baby that’s all we need.

 

[Old Man Jingles]

• Far-right vs far-left
• Primacy of the nation vs protection of everyone’s rights
• Private property vs public/social ownership

Read more: Difference between socialism and fascism | Difference

Cult 45 sounds a lot like Fascism.

• Only the 'far-right' part
• Trump wants to protect everybody's rights as opposed to minority's rights ...
  ... he is trying to reduce the 'Primacy of the Nation' aka National Government
• Trump is 'big time' trying to reduce 'public/social ownership'.

 

[rickyb]

I agree, in the real world, they both end up:

• Killing many of their citizens that don't conform
• Control and/or own the country's means of production ... neither has free markets
• Lack of individual freedoms
• Strong centralized governments

yea like the name of hitler's party had "socialist" in it, but we should keep in mind governments attach names to things for their own agendas. governments shouldnt be defining for us what socialism or freedom or peace is.

war is peace.
freedom is slavery.
etc.

socialism to me is very much about spreading power into many hands and away from the few be it government for economic.

 

[vantexan]

Cult 45 sounds a lot like Fascism.

Sounds more like malt liquor.

 

[Old Man Jingles]

yea like the name of hitler's party had "socialist" in it, but we should keep in mind governments attach names to things for their own agendas. governments shouldnt be defining for us what socialism or freedom or peace is.

war is peace.
freedom is slavery.
etc.

socialism to me is very much about spreading power into many hands and away from the few be it government for economic.

Then you don't understand Socialism.
How about Utopianism?
How about Anarchism?
How about Pluralism?

 

[rickyb]

Then you don't understand Socialism.
How about Utopianism?
How about Anarchism?
How about Pluralism?

yea i do and i didnt get my defintion from the government.

 

[rickyb]

Then you don't understand Socialism.
How about Utopianism?
How about Anarchism?
How about Pluralism?

i know anarchism; i read a chomsky book on that one . not sure about the other 2.

 

[rickyb]

apparently israel is a dictatorship now?

governments use crises to pass nefarious agendas. like right now trump is messing with the payroll tax which will be used as an excuse in teh future to privatize SS

 

[rickyb]

hungary now a dictatorship. i dont think dictatorships are necessarily fascist, but we'll pretend they are. is israel still a dictatorship?

 

[rickyb]

remember 50% of the 12 million people killed in teh death camps were jews. let you figure out who the other 6 million germans killed were: