Fascism
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Old Man Jingles
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Happened with Obama.
Old Man Jingles
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Old Man Jingles
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Obama is no longer in office!
DriveInDriveOut
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It's well under way thanks to the Democrats.
El Correcto
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When fascism came to Europe it usually came from “socialists”. The fascist governments of Europe were spawned from left wing parties. Just because you are right of communism doesn’t make you right wing.
El Correcto
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In fact I think all fascism spawned from people calling themselves socialists. Maybe Japan is the outlier there.
UnconTROLLed
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Fascism started in Europe and it was basically the opposite of traditional socialism.
El Correcto
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Not really. It’s just not globalist like communism. It’s all about the people of that country. The Nazis were very big government sycophants. They even had programs for their “aryan” soldiers to go knock up prostitutes and give welfare to the babies.
UnconTROLLed
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Given Italian Fascism's pragmatic political amalgamations of left-wing and right-wing socio-economic policies, discontented workers and peasants proved an abundant source of popular political power, especially because of peasant opposition to socialist agricultural collectivism. Thus armed, the former socialist Benito Mussolini oratorically inspired and mobilized country and working-class people: "We declare war on socialism, not because it is socialist, but because it has opposed nationalism". Moreover, for campaign financing in the 1920–1921 period the National Fascist Party also courted the industrialists and (historically feudal) landowners by appealing to their fears of left-wing socialist and Bolshevik labor politics and urban and rural strikes. The Fascists promised a good business climate of cost-effective labor, wage and political stability; and the Fascist Party was en route to power
El Correcto
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I know that’s just what I said.
"We declare war on socialism, not because it is socialist, but because it has opposed nationalism".
El Correcto
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Socialist are very authoritarian, much like Fascists.
you don’t really have private property rights in fascists regimes. It’s just the people who do have the “private property” are working hand and hand with the state. If they didn’t they would be punished and a new “private” owner would gain state favor. It’s de facto state run businesses. Communism does much of the same thing, a lot of the state run businesses are just business men seizing their competitors and controlling the market with government backing and a new government title.
you don’t really have private property rights in fascists regimes. It’s just the people who do have the “private property” are working hand and hand with the state. If they didn’t they would be punished and a new “private” owner would gain state favor. It’s de facto state run businesses. Communism does much of the same thing, a lot of the state run businesses are just business men seizing their competitors and controlling the market with government backing and a new government title.
UnconTROLLed
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The Nazis were a bad example though. Traditional fascism and socialism are quite different. The Germans tried to meld the two together
El Correcto
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You just quoted the Italian dictator not the German one.
Conflating European Fascism and American right wing politics is very dishonest. All of Europe are big government kuks, their lives for the “collective good”(government officials and government backed businesses) including the fascists.
“Right wing” American politics to me is about the individual and ensuring their rights. It’s about not trusting the government to be honest brokers in determining the collective good for all men. It’s one of the defining differences of the American revolution against government elites and the European revolutions.
El Correcto
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Ive said over and over to. The Republican Party are big government leftists. Just because you are right of communism doesn’t make you right wing.
UnconTROLLed
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You brought up Nazi Germany, that's all I meant. Italytechnically promoted the baseline fascism doctrine
UnconTROLLed
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this is true, which is why a two-party state is really just coke or pepsi
El Correcto
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The Socialist Economics of Italian Fascism - Econlib
The more you start learning about these authoritarian
holes, the more you learn communism and fascism go hand and hand. Even the soviets were nationalists.
I don’t see much differences between the bottom lines of the two.
UnconTROLLed
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A quick glance of that article tells me, you are not really arguing communism but the bass-ackwards evolution into state socialism of the Soviet Union, which wasn't communism and wasn't ever meant to be.The Socialist Economics of Italian Fascism - Econlib
The more you start learning about these authoritarian
Even the soviets were nationalists.
I don’t see much differences between the bottom lines of the two.