forced lunch

[browniehound]

The diad doesn't automacally shut down. It shuts down when you put your lunch in it. Actually I think the union benefits from an hour lunch...If all drivers had the integrity to do what is asked of them. (full lunch hour and break at their specified times) Then UPS would have to add more drivers. (in down town areas anyway)

The problem is not all drivers take their lunch so UPS is getting free labor. The union knows this yet still negotiates an hour lunch for us knowing full well they are giving UPS free labor. Thats why they are to blame also. Negotiate for us to "punch in and out for lunch" and UPS will recieve no free labor.

 

[1989]

The problem is not all drivers take their lunch so UPS is getting free labor. The union knows this yet still negotiates an hour lunch for us knowing full well they are giving UPS free labor. Thats why they are to blame also. Negotiate for us to "punch in and out for lunch" and UPS will recieve no free labor.

Warning letters and eventual termination will fix the lunch issue...no more free labor.

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

I listen to the runners and lunch skippers talking about how much bonus they make each weak. Most of the ones I talk to say they take 10-15 minutes of lunch, which is just long enough to eat, and then they keep on trucking. One guy said he had 11 hours of bonus one week! That is rediculous. I agree with Fredly00 and others that say we could have more routes/drivers if people would just take their lunches. Even if it was just 30 minutes. AND STOP RUNNING! Our management team and steward have been fighting to add more full-time drivers for 3 or 4 years now. It might not be an uphill fight if all these bonus babies and runners would just do what they are supposed to do. In the end they might even get the same result (getting off early and maybe even a little bonus) if they would just cooperate. But until then they are only making it look like the center doesn't need any more drivers.

 

[1989]

Probably 90% of the jobs out there dictate when you take lunch. What would be the problem with taking lunch sometime between noon and 1? You can't deliver to businesses then, anyways.

You can deliver businesses between 12:00 and 1:00...You just can't have a send again for a business between 12:00 and 1:00. (NI1, CLO1) NM1 is also okay between 12:00 and 1:00.

 

[ikoi62]

There are many routes in my center that are strictly business deliveries and pickups. How is UPS going to manage these routes if the DIAD shuts down automatically?

if everyone took a lunch this wouldn't be a problem..there would be more drivers.
plus at about $28 a hour x 5 x 52 = $7280 of free labor to UPS.

Back to the subject.... you start showing up back at the center 1/2 earlier every day and I'll guarantee you will get more work. So be happy if you have an hour for lunch. More time to sit and talk with friends as opposed to delivering pkgs. If things were the way they used to be, I would be inclined to agree with you. But not since they turned the company over to IE.

isn't that the truth! i have watched a driver go through this over the past year and a half..he started out at about 150 stops and 20 pickups. and back in by 5 pm with no lunch, right now he is at 230 - 240 with same pickups and he just cant get it through his head as to why it up so high 1

When i drove we had a group of us that would always take lunch together there were always 12-15 of us in this big lot..this was pre PAS EDD or what ever. we alway took a lunch. now after PAS EDD i still meet them for lunch(im a pm clerk now) and there are more drivers there because they refuse to skip lunch there are 3 new drivers in the town i used to be in.

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

The fact that there have been numerous threads on this subject shows that the problem has gotten out of hand. I'm actually looking forward to getting PAS/EDD because all of the runners and lunch skippers will eventually realize that the more they cut corners, run, and skip lunch just to get bonus and a pat on the back the more work they'll get. Also that it will be harder to take their lunch, once they decide to, because of their actions in the past. Just like the driver "ikoi62" mentioned.

 

[hdkappler]

neighbor upsgrunt

i live in peoria,il i go by the name of deano.retired 07/09/07.

 

[JustTired]

The fact that there have been numerous threads on this subject shows that the problem has gotten out of hand. I'm actually looking forward to getting PAS/EDD because all of the runners and lunch skippers will eventually realize that the more they cut corners, run, and skip lunch just to get bonus and a pat on the back the more work they'll get. Also that it will be harder to take their lunch, once they decide to, because of their actions in the past. Just like the driver "ikoi62" mentioned.

Once you get PAS/EDD, you will automatically "get more work". This is because your pkg selection and sort time goes down (yeah, right). But you are right. Anyone who has been skipping lunch and breaks for a long period of time will have a heck of a time should they decide to start taking them (and that has nothing to do with PAS/EDD).

 

[area43]

Today on my route recieved 3 mess back to back. #1, Make sure you put lunch in board. #2, Make sure you write down your lunch on a paper that mgt put on the counter. #3 Before you punch out go to your sup so he can verify that you have put your lunch in the diad. Wow, If your listening Atlanta, dont you get it yet. Whats the purpose of doing all that. So the driver puts it in his board. It isnt untill the board is up loaded that they can check if he has actually worked during his lunch. This is not being done. No one is getting called in the office if he is working during his lunch. Fine! he puts it in the board, big deal.

Folks, I have deep concern over this issue. UPS is sweeting bullets over this lunch issue and I would too. Let me explain. I believe that there are Lawyers in a basement right now planning of a way to take a class action suit nationallly. The 87 million in california would be pocket change compared to the billons they could make nationally(depending how far they could go back). Kind of like the tabacco lawsuit. Section off the country-S.E, N.E. etc, etc 12 or 13 state combined type of lawsuit. This skipping lunch thing is a National Epedemic. The Lawyers I believe know this. Theres blood in the shark pool(CA. lawsuit) ,a feeding freenzing has occured and their looking for more. What would be really be interesting if the Judge would rule that the diad could be used as proof, I believe that would be highly unlikely.

In closing, my personal thoughts, I ve spent 22 with UPS and their kinda of like family to me. Maybe like a brother, sometimes we get a long a sometimes we dont. I dont want to see UPS take a hit of this nature. It would be devastating. The loss of billons possibly. Which they probably have been asking for it. I believe most importantly it would hurt their image. The press coverage could be brutal(like the tabacco companies). I hope Iam wrong. Folks, UPS has to much on the plate right now to deal with. It would be bad timing. A possible lawsuit, pending contract negotiations and pressing competition is to much to bare. Also, if the company did lose a national class action law suit the fall out could be plunging stock prices and a major hit to our profit margin.

UPS if your listening, you have to go with the soft ware(board shuts down during lunch). Drivers I understand the pressure from family our other factors,but you have to look at it from the companies perspective. Their the ones that are ultimaley responsible when you work thru your lunch $$. UPS, you must wean yourself off that free lunch money you have gotten for so long.

 

[705red]

In chicago we get paid for what we dont take. The company beats it into you that you must put something in, and fellas are falling for it they are putting in a lunch even if they didnt take it. If i dont take my lunch i get paid the 1 hour and a 10 minute paid break, thats my bonus now, i can get paid to drive home and kiss my kids before they go to bed. Alot of bonus drivers are putting in there lunch and breaks because they get bonus for it, now is that not falsifying a time card. What happens if they were accused of side swiping a car at 1330, but their timecard says they were at lunch from 1300 to 1400? Also you lose 10 mins of dispatch if you dont take your 10 min paid break. Way to go atlanta, im not for these lawsuits because we choose to work through our lunches in the past, but if ups keeps trying to cheat the system, then they have it coming!

 

[local804]

If you listen to your sups or read.

to paraphrase it reads something like "lunch should be taken between your 3 and 6th hours"

the word "SHOULD" does not mean "HAS TO BE" its a recommendation
I've told my sups in the past that if I take my lunch for a particular day between the 3-6hr,
that I would miss businesses, not to mention
on some routes it messes up the entire flow of the day.(they don't seem to mind, as long as your
not sitting in the center taking a break(they don't want to see you)

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My book says Lunch MUST be taken and COMPLETED between the hours of 12 and 3 pm. It dont get any clearer than that.

 

[ikoi62]

My book says Lunch MUST be taken and COMPLETED between the hours of 12 and 3 pm. It dont get any clearer than that

every book i have ever had said the same thing.
local 177

 

[area43]

If you listen to your sups or read.

to paraphrase it reads something like "lunch should be taken between your 3 and 6th hours"

the word "SHOULD" does not mean "HAS TO BE" its a recommendation
I've told my sups in the past that if I take my lunch for a particular day between the 3-6hr,
that I would miss businesses, not to mention
on some routes it messes up the entire flow of the day.(they don't seem to mind, as long as your
not sitting in the center taking a break(they don't want to see you)

QUOTE]


My book says Lunch MUST be taken and COMPLETED between the hours of 12 and 3 pm. It dont get any clearer than that.

I agree 804, at our center the time you take your lunch is flexible. As long as you take it out on road and not in the evening sitting in the center.

Another quick point on the Lunch software. I believe UPS is up against a rock and a hard place. If they do administer the software that would be an admission of guilt. Thus providing more evidence for those piece of crap lawyers.

 

[good2me]

Most states have some state law mandating a period of lunch. Only California has a state law that mandates the actual time that the lunch must be taken. This is the reason for the tremendous prompts drivers get in CA as well as the necessity of locking out the diad board. The driver and the company can be fined for each violation. (go figure, only in CA!)

 

[Jack4343]

Our PCM yesterday was about taking lunch. They handed us a form to sign that stated that we must take our hour lunch each day and must enter a full hour in the DIAD or there would be payroll problems. Also, not entering your full hour lunch in the DIAD would result in progressive discipline up to and including discharge. Since they knew that very few people would actually sign in and turn it in, they added a line stating that failure to acknoledge this training would result in requiring a union witness so I guess we'll all be in the office on Monday signing the form in front of a union steward unless he finds a way to stop that and he just might be able to do that.

Speaking of lunch, I used to skip lunch when I first started but I've been driving long enough to be able to stop for one hour daily and eat and rest. If I can't do it, something is wrong with the route...not me.

 

[jware]

So true. Here in Lenexa KS we're not forced to take our lunch (30 min) however it strongly suggested. My center has alot of drive time so I usually clock out for lunch at the end of the day while driving back to the shop. Its not that I wouldnt take a lunch every day, but like you said 10 11 hour days.

 

[SameRightsForAll]

Here's a new idea that'll probably ruffle some feathers...HOW ABOUT ACTUALLY TAKING LUNCH?

This issue is going to land some part time cover drivers more hours and maybe even a FT position.

I think coming in an hour later every day might be a royal pain to the home life but if you do what UPS says I think you should be covered.

I had a driver tell me the other day that he just can't take an hour, but will mark it in the board, anyway. What this means is that it will show that he was making deliveries nonstop all day, so I wonder what this will lead to with so many drivers having to do it.

Considering how many businesses actually shut down for lunch and you can't get in, you'd have to work around them and maybe get a bunch of nearby residentials in, I guess, but I would rather just do what they say and take the whole lunch even if it means spending an hour in the back of the car sorting out the stops better. But wouldn't this, or doing the residentials early, mean getting off trace and causing more problems?

 

[DS]

So true. Here in Lenexa KS we're not forced to take our lunch (30 min) however it strongly suggested. My center has alot of drive time so I usually clock out for lunch at the end of the day while driving back to the shop. Its not that I wouldnt take a lunch every day, but like you said 10 11 hour days.

You are ripping yourself off to the extent of about $2000 a year.

 

[1989]

Two things wrong with not taking your lunch and putting a lunch in your board. Falsifying records and not working as instructed. Both fireable offenses.

 

[hoser]

ITS not the lunch time, yes take it you have it, but for them to tell us when to take it. THAT WHEN i WILL NOT GO ALONG they just Own to much of us now and we must draw the line in the sand.

you're upset being told when to take lunch? you have a contract that defines your break periods. people all around the world would drool to have those rights.

ups can tell you whenever they please to take your lunch, provided it's within the contract and labor laws. they're the employer, you're the employee, if you don't like it, go be self employed.