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MrFedEx

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Now you've done it! @MrFedEx will be saying the people at the Washington Post aren't real journalists.
Marc Thiessen is a guest columnist and his article is what's known as an opinion piece. He isn't a journalist. He is primarily a lobbyist and has also been a speechwriter. His past associates are a veritable "Who's Who" of GOP nonsense. Oops. Almost forgot. Also a FOX News contributor. What a stellar resume for being a BS artist.
 

vantexan

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My source was Newsweek, where I guess they're not real journalists either. The author of the WaPo piece is Marc Thiessen, who is about as far Right as it gets. It looks like Third Way slanted it to avoid talking about Blue cities, but isn't Mr. Thiessen slanting it to blame Blue cities entirely for high Red State violence levels? Yes, I think that's exactly what he's doing. So, Miami has a higher murder rate than NYC, BUT THEY HAVE A DEMOCRAT MAYOR and the state has a Republican governor. "Gosh, Batman, I think that Governor DeSantis would be able to keep crime at bay in his #1 city." "No, Robin, he's just a white-booted sissy boy." Blame the Democratic mayor even though the previous 2 mayors were both Republicans. Jesus, Ron, get your state squared away already.

Thiessen has a pretty bad rap sheet, including associations with Paul Manafort and Roger Stone, and Jesse Helms, and a long reputation for shoddy journalism, advocating for CIA torture, and generally being a war monger and POS.

Always check your sources.
NYC has a terrible crime problem, has gone through the roof. It was one of the safest big cities under Rudy Giuliani but since then it has gotten terrible. Why do you think Eric Adams got elected? He's a former police captain who campaigned on bringing crime down. He hasn't. A major reason that NYC and other Democratic controlled cities have such high crime rates is many of them elected district attorneys who were supported by George Soros. Every last one of them once in office stopped enforcing the law on many crimes including violent crimes. Turned felonies into misdemeanors. Stopped requiring bail and often let criminals back on the street shortly after their arrest. That has even resulted in people being murdered shortly after a violent criminal was arrested and allowed to walk. Unfortunately someone like you will defend that because it's a Democrat doing it. Not a few cases. Happening all over the country and clearly an agenda. So are you for cleaning up crime or do you turn a blind eye because you're more concerned about keeping power?
 

vantexan

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Marc Thiessen is a guest columnist and his article is what's known as an opinion piece. He isn't a journalist. He is primarily a lobbyist and has also been a speechwriter. His past associates are a veritable "Who's Who" of GOP nonsense. Oops. Almost forgot. Also a FOX News contributor. What a stellar resume for being a BS artist.
So ol' Mark got one over on the Washington Post editors?
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
So ol' Mark got one over on the Washington Post editors?
Not necessarily. It looks like both sides cherry-picked the data and presented it to make their side look good. I think Third Way/Newsweek did a poor job, and I think Thiessen misrepresented the story to make it look like a purely Democratic problem. A good example of why we should all get our information from multiple sources and then check to see what their agenda is.

Liberal and conservative media will often have guests or editorials that are the polar opposite of their usual stance in order to appear balanced. Where I live, the local paper is definitely more liberal, but they often have a guest columnist from the Right to show their side. Fox brings on liberals every once in awhile, and even MSNBC has conservatives. The data expert who was awarded $5M from Mike Pillow was on CNN the other night, and he's a Trump voter who "still likes Trump policies". It was a good interview.
 

vantexan

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Not necessarily. It looks like both sides cherry-picked the data and presented it to make their side look good. I think Third Way/Newsweek did a poor job, and I think Thiessen misrepresented the story to make it look like a purely Democratic problem. A good example of why we should all get our information from multiple sources and then check to see what their agenda is.

Liberal and conservative media will often have guests or editorials that are the polar opposite of their usual stance in order to appear balanced. Where I live, the local paper is definitely more liberal, but they often have a guest columnist from the Right to show their side. Fox brings on liberals every once in awhile, and even MSNBC has conservatives. The data expert who was awarded $5M from Mike Pillow was on CNN the other night, and he's a Trump voter who "still likes Trump policies". It was a good interview.
FOX has liberals on every day who make all the standard liberal arguments. And the fact is in a state like Missouri if you get outside of the greater St. Louis and Kansas City areas crime goes way down. So to say that Missouri is a high crime red state isn't accurate. Crime is primarily a big city problem and in cities where the police have seen reduced funding and criminals are put right back on the street we've seen dramatic spikes in crime. So much so that Florida especially has seen a big up tick in wealthy newcomers fleeing high crime cities. That erodes those cities' tax base and further exacerbates the problems. Something it appears they didn't account for when they decided to push these policies. This is real world results for woke policies. If you're fine dealing with that to create a woke world more power to you. Most aren't.
 

newolddude

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FOX has liberals on every day who make all the standard liberal arguments. And the fact is in a state like Missouri if you get outside of the greater St. Louis and Kansas City areas crime goes way down. So to say that Missouri is a high crime red state isn't accurate. Crime is primarily a big city problem and in cities where the police have seen reduced funding and criminals are put right back on the street we've seen dramatic spikes in crime.

Wrong

Very Blue St. Louis City population: 295,536
Crime Rate per 1000: 22.60

Very Red Springfield population: 168,686
Crime Rate per 1000: 36.13

 

MrFedEx

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FOX has liberals on every day who make all the standard liberal arguments. And the fact is in a state like Missouri if you get outside of the greater St. Louis and Kansas City areas crime goes way down. So to say that Missouri is a high crime red state isn't accurate. Crime is primarily a big city problem and in cities where the police have seen reduced funding and criminals are put right back on the street we've seen dramatic spikes in crime. So much so that Florida especially has seen a big up tick in wealthy newcomers fleeing high crime cities. That erodes those cities' tax base and further exacerbates the problems. Something it appears they didn't account for when they decided to push these policies. This is real world results for woke policies. If you're fine dealing with that to create a woke world more power to you. Most aren'
FOX has liberals on every day who make all the standard liberal arguments. And the fact is in a state like Missouri if you get outside of the greater St. Louis and Kansas City areas crime goes way down. So to say that Missouri is a high crime red state isn't accurate. Crime is primarily a big city problem and in cities where the police have seen reduced funding and criminals are put right back on the street we've seen dramatic spikes in crime. So much so that Florida especially has seen a big up tick in wealthy newcomers fleeing high crime cities. That erodes those cities' tax base and further exacerbates the problems. Something it appears they didn't account for when they decided to push these policies. This is real world results for woke policies. If you're fine dealing with that to create a woke world more power to you. Most aren't.
Interesting point, as in it makes no sense. You can't just remove St. Louis and Kansas City and then say it's a low-crime Red State. They are still part of Missouri and , therefore, also part of a high-crime Red State. Take away Los Angeles and The Bay Area and you have a low-crime California too. As usual, your argument isn't logical.
 

vantexan

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Wrong

Very Blue St. Louis City population: 295,536
Crime Rate per 1000: 22.60

Very Red Springfield population: 168,686
Crime Rate per 1000: 36.13

What you don't see is the total number of crimes. In areas and suburbs of St. Louis the population is higher than the total population of Springfield and the rate of crime in those areas the crime rate is much much higher than Springfield. The safe areas of St. Louis have a much lower crime rate thus giving the whole city area an overall lower rate.

You get outside of Springfield and you're in country very quickly. The St. Louis metro area is 2,809,000+ and many of those suburbs like Ferguson and East St. Louis, IL are a lot more dangerous than Springfield.
 

vantexan

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Interesting point, as in it makes no sense. You can't just remove St. Louis and Kansas City and then say it's a low-crime Red State. They are still part of Missouri and , therefore, also part of a high-crime Red State. Take away Los Angeles and The Bay Area and you have a low-crime California too. As usual, your argument isn't logical.
The difference is Missouri is a red state overall in spite of its blue cities. California is a blue state because of its blue cities. They control the political process in California. Missouri has an overall high crime rate because of its blue cites, not in spite of.
 

MrFedEx

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The difference is Missouri is a red state overall in spite of its blue cities. California is a blue state because of its blue cities. They control the political process in California. Missouri has an overall high crime rate because of its blue cites, not in spite of.
You're making the same cherry-picking argument that Marc Thiessen made in his WaPo piece. California is very Red once you leave the blue areas (where the vast majority live and work), and the Red areas hate the fact that 90% of the population actually control the state. Never mind that the Blue cities subsidize the poor Red cities because they have few good jobs and almost no industry.

So, you agree that Missouri is actually still a Red state even though it has large Blue pockets? That was my entire point until you went down your rabbit hole.Overall, it's a high crime state.
 

vantexan

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You're making the same cherry-picking argument that Marc Thiessen made in his WaPo piece. California is very Red once you leave the blue areas (where the vast majority live and work), and the Red areas hate the fact that 90% of the population actually control the state. Never mind that the Blue cities subsidize the poor Red cities because they have few good jobs and almost no industry.

So, you agree that Missouri is actually still a Red state even though it has large Blue pockets? That was my entire point until you went down your rabbit hole.Overall, it's a high crime state.
The land area isn't the State when it's about the vote. Where the Dems control the big cities in California is where the bulk of the population is. Thus a blue state. Missouri's biggest cities might be majority blue but there are enough red voters in them plus the rest of the state to make it red. You can call it a high crime red state all you want but the most crime in the state is in the two largest metro areas that are majority blue and at least on of them has a Soros backed DA who's soft on crime. That was Thiessen's point, that even in red states the source of most of the crime is in Democrat controlled big cities.
 

vantexan

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Leftists generally seem fine with ignoring the black body count in high crime areas. It’s seeing the flight of the actual taxpayers from areas that are experiencing increases in crime that’s got their attention.
Not staying to pay taxes is racist you know.
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
Soft on crime District Attorney Kim Foxx, has to go.
  • The boys are accused of stealing a sedan and crashing it into a pickup truck, killing six-month-old Cristian Uvidia and injuring his sisters and mother
  • Despite the severity of their actions, the two boys were each charged with misdemeanors of criminal trespassing for the theft of the car
  • There were two others riding in the car with the 14 and 17 year old boys. Their identity is unknown, and it remains unclear if they will face any charges.
 

Lineandinitial

Legio patria nostra
Soft on crime District Attorney Kim Foxx, has to go.
  • The boys are accused of stealing a sedan and crashing it into a pickup truck, killing six-month-old Cristian Uvidia and injuring his sisters and mother
  • Despite the severity of their actions, the two boys were each charged with misdemeanors of criminal trespassing for the theft of the car
  • There were two others riding in the car with the 14 and 17 year old boys. Their identity is unknown, and it remains unclear if they will face any charges.
Un :censored2:ing believable!
 
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