Babagounj
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Then expand your hotdog carts operations.
Think how many more illegals you could be employing .
Government Motors
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Then expand your hotdog carts operations.
Think how many more illegals you could be employing .
brett636
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What are you blabbering about having the best selling vehicle worldwide? According to this article the best selling vehicle worldwide is the Toyota Corolla followed by the ford friend-150 pickup. Only one GM vehicle made the top 10 list and it was number 10 which was the Chevrolet Impala.
moreluck
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79% of GM’s sales last month was government purchased
By Angel, on July 12th, 2012
Remember how Obama keeps telling us how he saved GM, and how our economy is getting better, it seems the car company he bought is being saved by Govt employees using our tax money to buy new cars. 79% of GM’s sales last month was government purchased.
GM’s sales figures for last month were the best since 2008 , up 16% for the month of June. YIPPEE! Well, wait just a minute. It seems that those rosey sales figures are due primarily to a 79% increase in fleet sales to the U.S. government in June. That’s right. Our tax dollars are being used to pump up GM’s sales figures ahead of next month’s quarterly report so that Dear Leader can point to Government Motors as a huge success. The incestuous relationship between GM, the UAW and the Regime has never been more glaringly apparent. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. GM is unsustainable without government subsidies and will ultimately go bust again, taking billions of taxpayer dollars down with it.
We bailed out General Motors to the tune of $50 billion. $30 billion of this is effectively a loss, mostly sunk into fattening the United Auto Workers union—fierce Obama supporters—while the actual bondholders were shown the elevator shaft.
Meanwhile, as NewsBusters reports, “We the Taxpayers are still stuck holding 500+ million shares of GM stock. Which we need to sell at $53 per. Which debuted post-bankruptcy at $33 per. And which is currently trading at just over $20 per. Meaning we’ll lose about $15 billion.”
But it gets better. Despite the overwhelming negatives, the tiny bright spot of positive June sales numbers is being heralded by Obama and the leftist press as proof the auto bailout was a “success.”
Obama is now campaigning on the “success” of – the government buying cars from…the government’s car company. With our money.
Americanvision says That’s like you setting up a lemonade stand for your kids. You buy them the lemons, sugar, cups and pitchers – and then buy most of the lemonade yourself.
The pressure is on Government Motors to appear financially strong as this may be the last earnings report before November elections and sets the stage for how “successful” GM is. One of GM’s past tricks to help fudge earnings numbers has been to stuff truck inventory channels. Old habits die hard at GM. According to a Bloomberg report, “GM said inventory of its full-size pickups, which will be refreshed next year, climbed to 238,194 at the end of June, a 135 days’ supply, up from 116 days at the end of May.” 135 days’ supply is huge, the accepted norm is a 60 day supply. The trick here is that GM records revenue when vehicles go into dealership, NOT WHEN THEY ARE ACTUALLY SOLD, if ever.
By Angel, on July 12th, 2012
Remember how Obama keeps telling us how he saved GM, and how our economy is getting better, it seems the car company he bought is being saved by Govt employees using our tax money to buy new cars. 79% of GM’s sales last month was government purchased.
GM’s sales figures for last month were the best since 2008 , up 16% for the month of June. YIPPEE! Well, wait just a minute. It seems that those rosey sales figures are due primarily to a 79% increase in fleet sales to the U.S. government in June. That’s right. Our tax dollars are being used to pump up GM’s sales figures ahead of next month’s quarterly report so that Dear Leader can point to Government Motors as a huge success. The incestuous relationship between GM, the UAW and the Regime has never been more glaringly apparent. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. GM is unsustainable without government subsidies and will ultimately go bust again, taking billions of taxpayer dollars down with it.
We bailed out General Motors to the tune of $50 billion. $30 billion of this is effectively a loss, mostly sunk into fattening the United Auto Workers union—fierce Obama supporters—while the actual bondholders were shown the elevator shaft.
Meanwhile, as NewsBusters reports, “We the Taxpayers are still stuck holding 500+ million shares of GM stock. Which we need to sell at $53 per. Which debuted post-bankruptcy at $33 per. And which is currently trading at just over $20 per. Meaning we’ll lose about $15 billion.”
But it gets better. Despite the overwhelming negatives, the tiny bright spot of positive June sales numbers is being heralded by Obama and the leftist press as proof the auto bailout was a “success.”
Obama is now campaigning on the “success” of – the government buying cars from…the government’s car company. With our money.
Americanvision says That’s like you setting up a lemonade stand for your kids. You buy them the lemons, sugar, cups and pitchers – and then buy most of the lemonade yourself.
The pressure is on Government Motors to appear financially strong as this may be the last earnings report before November elections and sets the stage for how “successful” GM is. One of GM’s past tricks to help fudge earnings numbers has been to stuff truck inventory channels. Old habits die hard at GM. According to a Bloomberg report, “GM said inventory of its full-size pickups, which will be refreshed next year, climbed to 238,194 at the end of June, a 135 days’ supply, up from 116 days at the end of May.” 135 days’ supply is huge, the accepted norm is a 60 day supply. The trick here is that GM records revenue when vehicles go into dealership, NOT WHEN THEY ARE ACTUALLY SOLD, if ever.
klein
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Lue C Fur
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They sold the majority to the US goverment...stick that and your "Google pipe" and smoke it.
brett636
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When GM is losing market share what is that temporary title really worth?
brett636
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I am willing to bet that either Eric Peters is simply wrong, or that auto manufacturers are going to make cars and trucks so powerful and efficient, few will miss the other two cylinders. As to cost, it seems simple that the more vehicles that incorporate such technology, the cheaper it gets. It's one thing to sell 10,000 F250's that have parts going bad at 250,000 miles and quite another to have 75000 Taurus's needing similar maintenance at 100,000 miles.
brett636
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Yea, I don't see V-8's dissappearing altogether, but wait another 5-10 years and try to find a brand new car with V8 that isn't a high end luxury or sport car. These new fuel standards will make it too expensive to offer a car for the masses that has an 8 cylinder engine, but I guess that is par for the course for these liberal economic policies. Make everything nice way too expensive for the masses to afford then blame the remaining rich folk who can still afford them as the reason that they are so expensive.
These new fuel standards will also affect insurance rates. Auto manufacturers are having to go aluminum body panels to make the vehicles lighter to meet CAFE fuel standards. These aluminum body panels are not only more expensive to manufacturer, but are typically not repairable when involved in a minor accident. If you get into a fender bender and your hood has a slight crease to it then the only way to fix it is to replace it versus bending it back and putting a little body filler and paint on it. Again, liberal policies making life more complicated and more expensive than it should be.
Jeez, brett. Where have you been? Aluminum can be welded and repaired just like steel. And if you really want to be cheap, bondo and epoxies will work with aluminum too.
I'm not any kind of engineer, but I've been mulling over the idea of a spring loaded start assist. Maybe a high tension spring loaded by the drive axel while regenerative braking is occurring?
I'm not any kind of engineer, but I've been mulling over the idea of a spring loaded start assist. Maybe a high tension spring loaded by the drive axel while regenerative braking is occurring?
brett636
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Read this to get a better understanding. Aluminum body panels cannot be repaired like a steel panel. Also, aluminum welding, from my understanding, is one of the toughest skills for a welder to master. Not just any home garage welder can do it.
http://www.i-car.com/pdf/advantage/online/2007/100107.pdf
BrownArmy
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Interesting non-scientific post regarding aluminum vs. steel vs. whatever you think you're talking about.
How about this:
If you want to talk about fuel standards, the amount our nation spends on fuel for inefficient vehicles is one of our largest costs.
I'm not a huge fan of Obama, but his legacy (whether he is reelected or not) may be that he increased the fuel efficiency standards for vehicles sold in the US.
The largest fuel consumer in the US is the US military.
The second largest fuel consumer in the US is the daily driving population.
Brett, you call yourself a conservative:
What's more conservative than pulling ourselves together as a nation (like we did in WW2) and forming a solution to the problem of our dependence on foreign oil?
It's not enough to say, "We're going to find a bunch of oil in Canada and in our own country, and that's why we're going to be energy independent!!!!"
See, we can stop pouring gas and oil on the ground (figuratively), and MAKE MORE EFFICIENT VEHICLES, REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF ENERGY WE USE, and work toward a future where our economy isn't based on the middle east.
This isn't rocket science...I'm surprised that you would be against American innovation in terms of greater fuel efficiency.
How that actually happens is up for debate, but the need for it to happen is not.
I was a mechanic before I worked for UPS...sweet 5lb diapered baby Jesus knows I love the sound of a well-tuned V-8 growling, but...
We're not going to rebuild this country by refusing to adapt to the new realities on the ground.
Babagounj
Strength through joy
Interesting that you note that " The largest fuel consumer in the US is the US military."
How's that $26/gal fuel working out ?
You know the "green" stuff that bhos is forcing our military to use ?
Really puts a huge hole in a unit's spending funds.
I can imagine a General deciding which is more important , buying fuel or bullets ?
How's that $26/gal fuel working out ?
You know the "green" stuff that bhos is forcing our military to use ?
Really puts a huge hole in a unit's spending funds.
I can imagine a General deciding which is more important , buying fuel or bullets ?
brett636
Well-Known Member
You claim you don't know what I am talking about then you post this junk? Allow me to educate you.
Explain to me the logic of our government simultaneously requiring higher MPG cars while making it prohibitively expensive for the auto manufacturers to bring cars over here that can go well beyond the 35.5 mpg standard. For example VW makes a small car overseas called the Lupo that gets around 75-80 mpg. How does it do this you ask? Why it has a diesel engine, but our EPA goes full
when it comes to diesel engines blaming them for all sorts of air quality issues so the manufacturers just don't bring them here. So basically the government is telling the manufacturers that they have to meet this new standard without using technology they already have to well exceed that standard. What is the point of that? You may be asking yourself how I can expect higher mpg vehicles to come to market, and the answer is simple really. When the car buyers start demanding higher mpg vehicles the manufacturers will produce them. Look at the spike in oil prices in 2008 and how it collapsed the market for large gas guzzling SUV's. It wasn't the government telling people they had to buy more efficient vehicles, it was their pocket books that did, and the auto manufacturers have responded with a host of more efficient cars.
You also say you think its the government's job to make us an energy independent nation, and all those billions poured into the U.S. department of energy for that cause has yet to show any results. We could be energy independent in 10 years if the government would embrace CNG vehicles allowing us to make good use of our vast CNG reserves, but it won't take those steps. Our current crop of politicians and bureaucrats insist that we wait for pie in the sky technology that isn't anywhere near ready for primetime. Technologies like electric cars and hydrodgen fuel cells which won't be ready for another 20 years if not longer. Until then I guess we get to figure out how to convert our current vehicles to run on unicorn farts until that time comes.
The scary conclusion here is nobody in the Obama administration wants us to find better ways of transportation. As Obama's science adviser has stated it is their goal to "de-evolve" the United States economically, and always waiting on that next great idea that never bears fruit is the way they intend on doing it. Until then they are going to require more and more of the auto manufacturers until an entry level car costs north of $40k, and only the elitist liberals can afford to buy and operate them. The end game here is not to improve our standard of life, but to lower it to the level of every other nation on this planet.
BrownArmy
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LOL, I used to drive trucks for a beer delivery company which had a CNG truck and a propane truck. Fueling them up was a major PITA, and performance was poor.
I see your point however.
Nevertheless, we'll have to agree to disagree: I believe that there is a role for government in the regulation of many things, fuel standards being one of them. Are they going about it correctly? Likely not, but the 'invisible hand' just hasn't really been working all that well lately, eh?
Leaving everything to market forces doesn't seem to be the answer. You may counter that we just haven't left enough to market forces and that the gooberment's involvement all along the way has been the real problem.
For example, deregulating the financial industry and Wall Street has been a super success...
klein
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Get propane and natural gas out of your mind, until it's actually 100% relaible and 100% safe.
We have tons of propane powered vehicles here. I even won one.
They are useless in the brutal winter (gas will freeze up - even in the middle of driving).
You're not allowed to park in any indoor parkade (parking garage).
And the fuel tanks need to be inspected every 5 years, and every 10 years replaced. - Pain in the butt !
Savings ? Propane cost almost just as much as gas - but yes, better milage by about 20-25% (if it's not winter time).
Besides, with you're terrorists alerts in the US, how would you like a vehicle rigged for explosion with 50 gallons or more of gas content in it !
Just a matter of time !
We have tons of propane powered vehicles here. I even won one.
They are useless in the brutal winter (gas will freeze up - even in the middle of driving).
You're not allowed to park in any indoor parkade (parking garage).
And the fuel tanks need to be inspected every 5 years, and every 10 years replaced. - Pain in the butt !
Savings ? Propane cost almost just as much as gas - but yes, better milage by about 20-25% (if it's not winter time).
Besides, with you're terrorists alerts in the US, how would you like a vehicle rigged for explosion with 50 gallons or more of gas content in it !
Just a matter of time !
