Ground taking over

[yadig]

Put down the bong. Why would they move everything to Ground to then eliminate the contractor model?

Do you think they actually care bout contractor’s? If there’s one thing I know about fedex after 26 years is they love to control everything. Fats is playing chess you are playing checkers. If you don’t believe me just as ol spencer.

 

[It will be fine]

Do you think they actually care bout contractor’s? If there’s one thing I know about fedex after 26 years is they love to control everything. Fats is playing chess you are playing checkers. If you don’t believe me just as ol spencer.

Who said they care about anyone? The argument that they are moving all the freight to Ground just so in the near future they can eliminate contractors and hire their own employees doesn’t make any sense. That would be the most expensive way to do it. The point is to save money. They’ll pay Ground contractors pennies to deliver Express stuff with no capex.

 

[yadig]

Who said they care about anyone? The argument that they are moving all the freight to Ground just so in the near future they can eliminate contractors and hire their own employees doesn’t make any sense. That would be the most expensive way to do it. The point is to save money. They’ll pay Ground contractors pennies to deliver Express stuff with no capex.

Keeping your employees and getting rid of the middleman

 

[bacha29]

What is known for certain is that the transfer of air box over to Ground will not be to the benefit of contractors. Then again....nothing ever is. The most appalling part of it all is to ask people to invest their money most of it borrowed and then to treat them the way they do. Then to have the audacity to be called an "entrepreneur" by management when you know yourself that you just a means to an end.

 

[yadig]

What is known for certain is that the transfer of air box over to Ground will not be to the benefit of contractors. Then again....nothing ever is. The most appalling part of it all is to ask people to invest their money most of it borrowed and then to treat them the way they do. Then to have the audacity to be called an "entrepreneur" by management when you know yourself that you just a means to an end.

It was the cheapest way to compete with ups. It’s becoming more expensive and spencer Patton spoke up and he was booted.

 

[bacha29]

It was the cheapest way to compete with ups. It’s becoming more expensive and spencer Patton spoke up and he was booted.

Might not have happened if contractors had the spine to stand together with him. I'm sure that if Patton had known that what he was hearing from his fellow contractors was all talk and nothing but talk, with no genuine conviction and no direct action he wouldn't have put his balls on the anvil. He would have instead sold his routes to the next lucky contestant and walked away grinning like a possum.

 

[HD219]

Put down the bong. Why would they move everything to Ground to then eliminate the contractor model?

One transition at a time. We all know FedEx can't handle more than one transition at a time. New contractors are set up to fail. Existing contractors that have been around for a while (such as yourself) end up getting the failed routes for free. Plays right into the hand of having 4 contractors per building. It'll be much easier getting rid of 4 contractors than 20.

 

[It will be fine]

It was the cheapest way to compete with ups. It’s becoming more expensive and spencer Patton spoke up and he was booted.

It’s still much cheaper than an employee model. The Ground fleet is already established and paid for. They aren’t going to pay to replace it. That’s where the argument ends.

You guys for some reason think it’s impossible for contractors to deliver express boxes despite all the evidence to the contrary. It’s happening right now. I don’t really understand why you guys don’t believe it.

 

[Cactus]

You guys for some reason think it’s impossible for contractors to deliver express boxes despite all the evidence to the contrary. It’s happening right now. I don’t really understand why you guys don’t believe it.

Ground has brought back so many Express packages back in the past or stuffed them in Express dropboxes, now we’re supposed to believe that the leopard has now changed its’ spots? Nice try but most Ground drivers think they’re not getting paid enough to do both. And really they’re probably right. You expect UPS performance for burger flippin’ wages.

 

[zeev]

Ground can easily take Express, a box is a box once it enters the final mile truck, as for rural areas most Express has no commitment except next day. FedEx will never get rid of Ground you have a contractor who is invested in a one year contract with no other service options. If they had a regular contractor when the contract becomes unprofitable they leave immediately. As for service long gone.

 

[Fred's Myth]

Ground can easily take Express, a box is a box once it enters the final mile truck, as for rural areas most Express has no commitment except next day. FedEx will never get rid of Ground you have a contractor who is invested in a one year contract with no other service options. If they had a regular contractor when the contract becomes unprofitable they leave immediately. As for service long gone.

But…but…but…….Raj plans to rebuild the brand!

You know, the one they’ve been destroying the last 10 years!

 

[Empty Pockets]

There are a lot of people in cults here in the US. They are like pagan religions too. You have the climate change cult. Somehow the MSM and government has managed to convince about 50% of our country that the climate is not like it was when we were kids. Anyone with half a brain can see it is still the same. It's also the same as when your dad was a kid and when his dad was a kid. Yet, these conspiracy theorists have convinced most people that it's not the same. And now that cult uses all encompassing terms like "climate change" so they're never wrong. If it's too sunny, it's climate change. If it's too cloudy, it's climate change. If it's raining, it's climate change, etc., etc.

Then there is the "diversity and inclusion" cult. That has replaced merit as the new standard to hire people. We no longer hire someone because they are the most qualified, now we must hire all in the name of diversity and inclusion.

And finally there is the LGBTQ+ cult. You must submit to this cult by wearing pride shirts to professional hockey games, even if you're not gay. It keeps sliding more and more degenerate too. First if was tolerate gays, then it was accept gays. After that was accomplished it was embrace gays. Finally let gays marry. Now that we're past that point, it became tolerate transsexuals. Then it was accept, then embrace. Now we are propagandized that there are no longer 2 genders and men can get pregnant. And it's now evolved to men dressing up like women and doing strip shows in front of toddlers. If you took your toddler to watch a real woman strip in front of them, you'd get arrested for child abuse, but since it's LGBTQ, it's to be celebrated and worshiped. Their "church" is the local bar, library, or kindergarten class, and their patron saints are men dressed up like women. Truly degenerate.

How far will these pseudo religious cults keep forcing their will upon you? As far as you will let them.

I am convinced that there are many Flat Earthers posting on here too.

 

[MassWineGuy]

As far as unemployment pay, it would be better to get fired. You’d have a much better chance of getting paid. Nothing dramatic. Just an extreme work slowdown. Say you were doing your best but you and the company disagreed.

 

[MrFedEx]

Because the contractor model doesn't work for a merge of Express and Ground.

Why doesn't UPS introduce the all-new UPS Tan? This is an all independent contractor model where Big Brown can decide to give Tan whatever it wants....NDA, Traditional Brown Ground or any other service they please. There should be no problems with implementation because their direct competitor is doing the exact same thing. Oh, and UPS Airlines will now be considered separately as an all-RLA carrier along with all of their "airline" employees.

Using Dano's own line of reasoning, how many more jets does UPS have compared to 10 years ago,and how many more packages move by air? The Tan trucks will look identical to regular UPS feeders and package cars and the uniforms will also be the same. UPS will try out the Tan model in Alaska and Hawaii and in select mainland states immediately. Tan employees work for the Tan contractors, not UPS, and will be paid "market level" wages and will have no benefits whatsoever. The Tan contractors and employees will need to abide by strict UPS rules and protocols and the UPS Corporation will have essentially total control over the contracts. UPS can freely choose however and whomever it wants to use in order to move it's packages, but plans to keep both a UPS Tan management team and a UPS Brown management team in order to leverage the network for maximum profitability.

UPS expects no legislative or Teamsters union issues concerning the implementation of UPS Tan given its extensive political connections, strong lobbying presence in Washington DC, and the legal precedent set by its direct competitor and fellow systems integrator, FDX Corp.

 

[bacha29]

Ground can easily take Express, a box is a box once it enters the final mile truck, as for rural areas most Express has no commitment except next day. FedEx will never get rid of Ground you have a contractor who is invested in a one year contract with no other service options. If they had a regular contractor when the contract becomes unprofitable they leave immediately. As for service long gone.

When it comes to the rural areas a rural contractor will be not able to hold his ground loaded trucks back at the terminal waiting for the air box to finally arrive. Nor are his paid by the day drivers going to put up with it.
The contractor will have to have dedicated air box trucks waiting there for the air. Due to limited range nowhere near enough stops and boxes per mile or day that dedicated air box truck will not generate anything close to enough revenue to be a stand alone profitable route.

Fat Freddy is flat out not going to pay enough to make them profitable. He thinks he can just throw them on a ground truck same as he did with Smart Post and chances are like Smart Post perhaps pay less for an air box than he did for a ground box.

For a lot of rural contractors this will be the final nail in the coffin.

 

[zeev]

Air in rural areas is almost nonexistent, no way there will be an extra air truck, just call door dash, Lyft, or Uber.

 

[Lates]

Air in rural areas is almost nonexistent, no way there will be an extra air truck, just call door dash, Lyft, or Uber.

The number is low but when I’ve ran rural routes usually over half the stops are considered p1s just with a later commit time. We were told ground would have to hold for late freight once the building is combined.

 

[yadig]

It’s still much cheaper than an employee model. The Ground fleet is already established and paid for. They aren’t going to pay to replace it. That’s where the argument ends.

You guys for some reason think it’s impossible for contractors to deliver express boxes despite all the evidence to the contrary. It’s happening right now. I don’t really understand why you guys don’t believe it.

I use to agree with you and then express started hiring a ton of dispatchers and truck drivers. Something’s just not adding up is all I’m saying. Don’t forget the irs is going after the contractor models and reclassifying a lot of “contract” employees to company employees. I don’t know if you’ve noticed but the government is in bad need of some tax money!

 

[bacha29]

The number is low but when I’ve ran rural routes usually over half the stops are considered p1s just with a later commit time. We were told ground would have to hold for late freight once the building is combined.

Something just hit the fan and it doesn't smell good. What this will mean is that the daily operating range of the ground trucks will be cut down considerably which will require the contractor to add additional trucks in order to offset the lost operating range. And if like most contractor employed drivers they are paid by the day but will be doing a lot fewer stops but still for the same pay. And in a the case of a contractor/sharecropper who pays by the stop that driver won't be getting enough per stop pay to buy enough chitlins and cornbread to feed his family that day.

Fat Freddy doesn't care. It's a contractor problem that requires a contractor solution.

 

[zeev]

I use to agree with you and then express started hiring a ton of dispatchers and truck drivers. Something’s just not adding up is all I’m saying. Don’t forget the irs is going after the contractor models and reclassifying a lot of “contract” employees to company employees. I don’t know if you’ve noticed but the government is in bad need of some tax money!

Truck drivers and dispatchers are needed for a trucking company. Final mile with contractors has been in the works, for over a year, I figure they will reduce the work gradually calling couriers displaced employees not laying them off and avoiding unemployment benefits.