Gun Control Advocate-Actor Alec Baldwin Shoots Two People, Killing One

[UnionStrong]

A decoy trial, that if the plaintiff takes as bait, will accomplish two things...
1) Baldwin will be acquitted, since they can't prove intent (necessary in criminal trials,) and claims of negligence are dubious, since he had employees in charge of checking the weapons.
And...
2) successfully defending against a criminal judgement, will eliminate or greatly reduce the settlement in the inevitable civil suit that will follow.

He'll probably get away with no charges, and an undisclosed private settlement in lieu of civil court.

Intent is not a part of manslaughter. If you kill somebody with your car because you were texting you get charged with manslaughter. You had no intent to kill anyone.

 

[vantexan]

Intent is not a part of manslaughter. If you kill somebody with your car because you were texting you get charged with manslaughter. You had no intent to kill anyone.

Voluntary is different from involuntary in that you act in a way that results in someone dying although you didn't intend to kill them. Involuntary means you didn't act in a reckless way but your actions still resulted in death. A fine line for sure.

 

[El Correcto]

Agree-- but you know damn well even if found guilty he won't be doing any serious jail time. Probably just probation. Basically a waste of taxpayer money.

If convicted under the lesser charge, Baldwin or Gutierrez would face up to 18 months in prison and a $5,000 fine. The D.A. also will ask the juries to consider a harsher penalty, which carries a mandatory five years in prison, because the alleged crime involved the use of a firearm.

Alec Baldwin and weapons handler to be charged with manslaughter in deadly 'Rust' shooting

More than a year after "Rust" cinematographer Halyna Hutchins was fatally shot on the film's set near Santa Fe, star-producer Alec Baldwin and the movie's armorer are being charged in her death.

www.latimes.com

I think Alec develops health problems in prison and is let out early on good behavior.

 

[El Correcto]

Intent is not a part of manslaughter. If you kill somebody with your car because you were texting you get charged with manslaughter. You had no intent to kill anyone.

My brother’s friend killed a homeless man with his car, said the homeless guy just stepped out right in front of him into the road.
He didn’t face any charges, was considered a suicide.

 

[Thebrownblob]

My brother’s friend killed a homeless man with his car, said the homeless guy just stepped out right in front of him into the road.
He didn’t face any charges, was considered a suicide.

That would truly be awful to deal with.

 

[rod]

If convicted under the lesser charge, Baldwin or Gutierrez would face up to 18 months in prison and a $5,000 fine. The D.A. also will ask the juries to consider a harsher penalty, which carries a mandatory five years in prison, because the alleged crime involved the use of a firearm.

Alec Baldwin and weapons handler to be charged with manslaughter in deadly 'Rust' shooting

More than a year after "Rust" cinematographer Halyna Hutchins was fatally shot on the film's set near Santa Fe, star-producer Alec Baldwin and the movie's armorer are being charged in her death.

www.latimes.com

I think Alec develops health problems in prison and is let out early on good behavior.

That means zero to 18 months. We will see.

 

[rod]

Was a freak accident with a blank I've read.

It was CARELESS gun handling that an adult should know better not to do that cost a lady her life. They BOTH should be punished. JAIL TIME---- Especially that lady who was in charge of props. It sounds like she really wasn't the person who should have been in charge of an important step like that.

 

[rod]

That would truly be awful to deal with.

I bet at least 3 or 4 times a year in Mn. some Native American gets ran over and killed on one of the Indian Reservations because they close up the bar and pass out walking down the road to their home. For some reason they like to lay down in the middle of the road.

 

[UnionStrong]

Voluntary is different from involuntary in that you act in a way that results in someone dying although you didn't intend to kill them. Involuntary means you didn't act in a reckless way but your actions still resulted in death. A fine line for sure.

That’s why he’s charged with involuntary

 

[vantexan]

It was CARELESS gun handling that an adult should know better not to do that cost a lady her life. They BOTH should be punished. JAIL TIME---- Especially that lady who was in charge of props. It sounds like she really wasn't the person who should have been in charge of an important step like that.

I was referring to Brandon Lee.

 

[govols019]

Was a freak accident with a blank I've read.

A "freak accident" caused by somebody not properly clearing the weapon before the scene.

 

[govols019]

And because of that accident they changed things to try to prevent it happening again.

Have they really changed or have they just been lucky?

I don't really know the answer to that question.

 

[Babagounj]

The most damaging thing was the lack of on set safety meetings.
Baldwin was a producer on this movie as well as the star.
He has been in several productions which required him to handle in gun and should have been aware of the industry practices.
Let's not forget that the day before several members of the cast quit because of the lack of safety on this set.

 

[UnionStrong]

Have they really changed or have they just been lucky?

I don't really know the answer to that question.

I’m pretty confident the movie industry knows how to deal with firearms. You only have to look at the recent John Wick movies.
Baldwin’s movie was a low budget movie with 2nd tier armors and producers.

 

[govols019]

This is the scene I always think of when I hear Baldwin's name...I think he delivers it so well because this character was just an extension of his bag self.

 

[govols019]

I’m pretty confident the movie industry knows how to deal with firearms. You only have to look at the recent John Wick movies.
Baldwin’s movie was a low budget movie with 2nd tier armors and producers.

I just figured the gun flashes in the Wick series were CGI and the sounds added in post production...that's much safer and much more expensive.

 

[UnionStrong]

I just figured the gun flashes in the Wick series were CGI and the sounds added in post production...that's much safer and much more expensive.

Regardless, when is the last time someone died on a movie set from an unintended gun shot?

 

[govols019]

Regardless, when is the last time someone died on a movie set from an unintended gun shot?

Don't know, the last time it happened that I knew about I'm pretty sure nobody went to jail.

 

[vantexan]

A "freak accident" caused by somebody not properly clearing the weapon before the scene.

From what I read it's possible to get hurt, even killed, by a blank that's fired at close range if there's remnants of another blank still in the chamber. Read that's what happened to Lee which I'm guessing that's what you're saying. A bit different than loading a live round.

 

[govols019]

How did a live round even end up on set? The person that brought it into that environment is the one that should be charged.