I started posting here to see the opinions of other UPSers. I want to know how universal are the problems I face in my dept/career as are with others and their position. With that said
#1
No promotion= cuz I'm white
This is an issue that deals with real world discrimination! Political views as far as affirmative action, civil rights, and EOE. Is what I am discussing!
I was told I was qualified! Than told NO! CUZ IM WHITE!
#2
Raises
This is a Mystery in the area I work. I am not union I do not know how much I am getting in august! In management we are supposed to receive an annual review, talk listen action (TLA), career development, QPR, and other PAPER JOBS. I want some one to cut the BS out and tell me! The true process!
Ideal,
“hi gibby this year you developed a lot as an employee but others have done much better your attendance was lacking much of the year and you are already the top of your pay group. So we have 3.5% for the dept this year. This equates to $100 total with you and one other person I see it to give you the ‘norm’ (3% of my pay) $30 bucks more and Steve is getting 70 because he is a brand new sup bottom on the pay scale and has developed many skills in his first year so he will get 70%, So improve your attendance and next year should be a good year for you 70 no but possibly 50 lets talk once a month on improvement and progress towards your goals”
HONEST
THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN!
Actual
“Gibby here (managers hand piece of paper) Heard nothing but good things! You got better than others but not the best talk to your fulltime if you want better next year on what you need to do”
LOAD OF CRAP
WHAT? How did he make the justification of my raise then? My fulltime is not the one in charge of the raise, but now he is?
---------WHAT IS THE PROCESS----- this follows no logical path
#3 FULL TIME PAY SCALE
This is something every person has the right to know! Especially if you are going in to FT Management.
Steve 1 five years with the company
No schooling, but has ambition of making good money and having a secure job for LIFE! Likes physical labor and driving big things! Hmm
Steve 2 five years with the company
Went to school, has a physical disability that keeps him from driving or has no desire for that position because his heart is somewhere else! Wants to write computer code cuz it’s the funniest thing in the world to him
EX
I’m a loader “steve1” up for a driver position. I get a job offer from Pepsi to drive for them. Pepsi offers me 20 an hour to drive no benefits nothing. We all know what UPS has to offer! Easy call! STAY AT UPS.
EX
I am a loader “steve2” who just finished my degree which now qualifies me for a fulltime position in management ( this does not mean just Operations as a ground pounder it could also be sales rep or HR or business development , PR, any and all non operations depts. In this case we will say TSG or the twenty other computer science related positions.) This person passes mapps, inbox, panel, and has manager approval to go on with UPS! He is offered a Full time sup position in the local TSG dept! But they don’t tell him the pay until you accept the position! He has another job offer from Pepsi to do pure computer code writing for a program at 20 an hour. Then at the last second Engineering automation calls and says we will give you a specialist position. He wants to stay at ups to keep seniority. Not knowing the pay scales from one area to another? What decision does he make? …….I have no clue?
If I was him and had a true passion for code writing I would not go to TSG. They deal with computers but do not write code. Like the difference between a motorcycle mechanic and a motorcycle builder (like west coast choppers) there is a big difference in the two jobs.
Tsg= good pay but no fun
Automation engineering= fun but low pay as a specialist
Pepsi= fun but poor pay for field and its Pepsi not ups
Now lets say that because automation is such a elite group of UPS people they are actually paid at different grades than all other depts. Specialist = fulltime sup,FT-sup=manager, manger=DM and so on just a mix up of titles. Is it possible HELL YEAH!
With this said it could be very tough for someone to justify going one way or another in the company and its not all ways based on money, but if more is available at a better position it is only logical to take it!
No driver could tell me he/ she would be a driver if they spent 5 years in the hub and to work there way to seniority for a job that pays ‘X’ amount.
The first thing people say to me when I tell them I work at ups is “they pay the drivers well” YEP that is why some people go to work there for no other reason than a paycheck!
Not all of us have such a narrow out look on occupations.
***not to say this is the mentality of all drivers***
#1
No promotion= cuz I'm white
This is an issue that deals with real world discrimination! Political views as far as affirmative action, civil rights, and EOE. Is what I am discussing!
I was told I was qualified! Than told NO! CUZ IM WHITE!
#2
Raises
This is a Mystery in the area I work. I am not union I do not know how much I am getting in august! In management we are supposed to receive an annual review, talk listen action (TLA), career development, QPR, and other PAPER JOBS. I want some one to cut the BS out and tell me! The true process!
Ideal,
“hi gibby this year you developed a lot as an employee but others have done much better your attendance was lacking much of the year and you are already the top of your pay group. So we have 3.5% for the dept this year. This equates to $100 total with you and one other person I see it to give you the ‘norm’ (3% of my pay) $30 bucks more and Steve is getting 70 because he is a brand new sup bottom on the pay scale and has developed many skills in his first year so he will get 70%, So improve your attendance and next year should be a good year for you 70 no but possibly 50 lets talk once a month on improvement and progress towards your goals”
HONEST
THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN!
Actual
“Gibby here (managers hand piece of paper) Heard nothing but good things! You got better than others but not the best talk to your fulltime if you want better next year on what you need to do”
LOAD OF CRAP
WHAT? How did he make the justification of my raise then? My fulltime is not the one in charge of the raise, but now he is?
---------WHAT IS THE PROCESS----- this follows no logical path
#3 FULL TIME PAY SCALE
This is something every person has the right to know! Especially if you are going in to FT Management.
Steve 1 five years with the company
No schooling, but has ambition of making good money and having a secure job for LIFE! Likes physical labor and driving big things! Hmm
Steve 2 five years with the company
Went to school, has a physical disability that keeps him from driving or has no desire for that position because his heart is somewhere else! Wants to write computer code cuz it’s the funniest thing in the world to him
EX
I’m a loader “steve1” up for a driver position. I get a job offer from Pepsi to drive for them. Pepsi offers me 20 an hour to drive no benefits nothing. We all know what UPS has to offer! Easy call! STAY AT UPS.
EX
I am a loader “steve2” who just finished my degree which now qualifies me for a fulltime position in management ( this does not mean just Operations as a ground pounder it could also be sales rep or HR or business development , PR, any and all non operations depts. In this case we will say TSG or the twenty other computer science related positions.) This person passes mapps, inbox, panel, and has manager approval to go on with UPS! He is offered a Full time sup position in the local TSG dept! But they don’t tell him the pay until you accept the position! He has another job offer from Pepsi to do pure computer code writing for a program at 20 an hour. Then at the last second Engineering automation calls and says we will give you a specialist position. He wants to stay at ups to keep seniority. Not knowing the pay scales from one area to another? What decision does he make? …….I have no clue?
If I was him and had a true passion for code writing I would not go to TSG. They deal with computers but do not write code. Like the difference between a motorcycle mechanic and a motorcycle builder (like west coast choppers) there is a big difference in the two jobs.
Tsg= good pay but no fun
Automation engineering= fun but low pay as a specialist
Pepsi= fun but poor pay for field and its Pepsi not ups
Now lets say that because automation is such a elite group of UPS people they are actually paid at different grades than all other depts. Specialist = fulltime sup,FT-sup=manager, manger=DM and so on just a mix up of titles. Is it possible HELL YEAH!
With this said it could be very tough for someone to justify going one way or another in the company and its not all ways based on money, but if more is available at a better position it is only logical to take it!
No driver could tell me he/ she would be a driver if they spent 5 years in the hub and to work there way to seniority for a job that pays ‘X’ amount.
The first thing people say to me when I tell them I work at ups is “they pay the drivers well” YEP that is why some people go to work there for no other reason than a paycheck!
Not all of us have such a narrow out look on occupations.
***not to say this is the mentality of all drivers***
