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[Mutineer]

Difference is they don't think it's their god given right.

Whatever the excuse is, there is no "difference." As strange as it sounds, there is very often alot of 'reasoning' preceding atrocities. This is the twisted moralization which justifies a person to kill a person he doesn't even know well enough (or have good reason) to hate.

If it isn't in the name of a god (any god will do), then another ridiculous 'reason' would have been invented.

In the end, the fighting and killing has always boiled down to the capture and control of natural resources. And what is the purpose of the control of natural resources?

Sadly, in the end it isn't used to somehow create peace, but to make more hate and prepare for more war.

As human beings, we all have this defect.

 

[59 Dano]

Difference is they don't think it's their god given right.

So why did they do it? For sport? For the sake of violence?

 

[Fred's Myth]

So why did they do it? For sport? For the sake of violence?

The Great Spirit in the Sky inspired them to do it in his name. Competition with muhammed and Jesus being what it is and all....

 

[UnionStrong]

Difference is they don't think it's their god given right.

 

[bacha29]

Here is the ultimate evil result of socialism:

From the moment you got up this morning your life was surrounded by socialism. When you turned on the faucet did you get your water from a publicly owned municipal water authority where every customer who pays his bill gets water? Or did you tie a rope to your water bucket and toss it down your well hoping that there was potable water still there? When you sat down on the throne to take a carp where did your poop go? Did it go down a publicly owned sanitary sewer system to be treated by a publicly owned sewage treatment plant or did you grab some old newspaper and head out to your backyard two seater?

When you turned on the light switch did the power come on from a regulated public utility or perhaps out there on the plains from a member owned electric cooperative? Or did you take the horse out put him on the treadmill and hope he's willing to start walking on it?

A major share of your everyday life experiences is impacted by one form of socialism or another and I seriously doubt that you would want to go back to the old ways.

 

[Fred's Myth]

From the moment you got up this morning your life was surrounded by socialism. When you turned on the faucet did you get your water from a publicly owned municipal water authority where every customer who pays his bill gets water? Or did you tie a rope to your water bucket and toss it down your well hoping that there was potable water still there? When you sat down on the throne to take a carp where did your poop go? Did it go down a publicly owned sanitary sewer system to be treated by a publicly owned sewage treatment plant or did you grab some old newspaper and head out to your backyard two seater?

When you turned on the light switch did the power come on from a regulated public utility or perhaps out there on the plains from a member owned electric cooperative? Or did you take the horse out put him on the treadmill and hope he's willing to start walking on it?

A major share of your everyday life experiences is impacted by one form of socialism or another and I seriously doubt that you would want to go back to the old ways.

You continue to espouse your ignorance as to the definition and reality of Socialism. You really should educate yourself. Try reading The Case Against Socialism, by Rand Paul with Kelley Ashby Paul. Excerpt:“One of the greatest ironies of modern political history is that as socialists around the world rose to overthrow authoritarian regimes, they ultimately replaced them (despite their promises to establish free democracies) with authoritarian regimes of their own.”

What you advocate for is not Socialism. You should open your eyes and accept the difference.

"Socialism is “the means of production are owned by the workers” - no privately owned businesses, no public stock market, essentially the government owns and runs all business on behalf of all citizens. It’s an attempt to stop the accumulation of wealth by business owners, but it has never built a strong economy. That’s because it’s competition for profit in a free market that drives delivery of high-quality goods and services at a competitive price, leading to a high standard of living.

Social programs in the US (and other countries) such as public education, social security, Medicare, etc., are not socialism - if anything they are the start of Social democracy, which is the method that all other modern western countries manage capitalism for the benefit of the wider community." What are the differences between social programs in the U.S. and socialism?

Addressing the basic needs of its citizenry is a solemn responsibility of the elected government. Fulfilling every whim and desire of those citizens, especially those who are capable of managing on their own, is an abdication of fiduciary responsibility of our elected representatives.

 

[bacha29]

You continue to espouse your ignorance as to the definition and reality of Socialism. You really should educate yourself. Try reading The Case Against Socialism, by Rand Paul with Kelley Ashby Paul. Excerpt:“One of the greatest ironies of modern political history is that as socialists around the world rose to overthrow authoritarian regimes, they ultimately replaced them (despite their promises to establish free democracies) with authoritarian regimes of their own.”

What you advocate for is not Socialism. You should open your eyes and accept the difference.

"Socialism is “the means of production are owned by the workers” - no privately owned businesses, no public stock market, essentially the government owns and runs all business on behalf of all citizens. It’s an attempt to stop the accumulation of wealth by business owners, but it has never built a strong economy. That’s because it’s competition for profit in a free market that drives delivery of high-quality goods and services at a competitive price, leading to a high standard of living.

Social programs in the US (and other countries) such as public education, social security, Medicare, etc., are not socialism - if anything they are the start of Social democracy, which is the method that all other modern western countries manage capitalism for the benefit of the wider community." What are the differences between social programs in the U.S. and socialism?

Addressing the basic needs of its citizenry is a solemn responsibility of the elected government. Fulfilling every whim and desire of those citizens, especially those who are capable of managing on their own, is an abdication of fiduciary responsibility of our elected representatives.

So now you're trying to walk it all back by creating something called "Social Democracy" (lol). There is no such thing Now why are all of these programs you speak of under the US social services umbrella namely the US Department Of Health And Human Services? It was because it became the provider of the last resort. Why did Obamacare become into being? It was because too many insurers refused to provide coverage for people with preexisting health conditions resulting in billions in uncompensated care often due to ER's becoming trauma centers due to people with no insurance waiting until they were at death's doorstep before going to the hospital with symptoms much worse but could have been treated much easier and much less expensive if the had come in earlier. Preventative care is the entire focus of Obamacare.

Now why was Conrail created.? It was due to the bankruptcy of several high tonnage railroad companies.
The 1979 federal bailout of Chrysler . The reason? Chrysler built the M-1 Abrams tank. And again it had to do it along with GM in 2008. Along with the airlines and banks It would appear that the US government has been too busy bailing out railroads, airlines, banks and auto companies to worry about nationalizing them.

 

[Fred's Myth]

So now you're trying to walk it all back by creating something called "Social Democracy" (lol). There is no such thing Now why are all of these programs you speak of under the US social services umbrella namely the US Department Of Health And Human Services? It was because it became the provider of the last resort. Why did Obamacare become into being? It was because too many insurers refused to provide coverage for people with preexisting health conditions resulting in billions in uncompensated care often due to ER's becoming trauma centers due to people with no insurance waiting until they were at death's doorstep before going to the hospital with symptoms much worse but could have been treated much easier and much less expensive if the had come in earlier. Preventative care is the entire focus of Obamacare.

Now why was Conrail created.? It was due to the bankruptcy of several high tonnage railroad companies.
The 1979 federal bailout of Chrysler . The reason? Chrysler built the M-1 Abrams tank. And again it had to do it along with GM in 2008. Along with the airlines and banks It would appear that the US government has been too busy bailing out railroads, airlines, banks and auto companies to worry about nationalizing them.

Blather.

 

[vantexan]

So now you're trying to walk it all back by creating something called "Social Democracy" (lol). There is no such thing Now why are all of these programs you speak of under the US social services umbrella namely the US Department Of Health And Human Services? It was because it became the provider of the last resort. Why did Obamacare become into being? It was because too many insurers refused to provide coverage for people with preexisting health conditions resulting in billions in uncompensated care often due to ER's becoming trauma centers due to people with no insurance waiting until they were at death's doorstep before going to the hospital with symptoms much worse but could have been treated much easier and much less expensive if the had come in earlier. Preventative care is the entire focus of Obamacare.

Now why was Conrail created.? It was due to the bankruptcy of several high tonnage railroad companies.
The 1979 federal bailout of Chrysler . The reason? Chrysler built the M-1 Abrams tank. And again it had to do it along with GM in 2008. Along with the airlines and banks It would appear that the US government has been too busy bailing out railroads, airlines, banks and auto companies to worry about nationalizing them.

Are you suggesting that because our taxes are used to fund things necessary for the common good, like clean water delivery, garbage pickup, etc that we should have government control everything?

 

[59 Dano]

So now you're trying to walk it all back by creating something called "Social Democracy" (lol). There is no such thing Now why are all of these programs you speak of under the US social services umbrella namely the US Department Of Health And Human Services? It was because it became the provider of the last resort. Why did Obamacare become into being? It was because too many insurers refused to provide coverage for people with preexisting health conditions resulting in billions in uncompensated care often due to ER's becoming trauma centers due to people with no insurance waiting until they were at death's doorstep before going to the hospital with symptoms much worse but could have been treated much easier and much less expensive if the had come in earlier. Preventative care is the entire focus of Obamacare.

The fallacy being that the Joe shows up at the ER on death's doorstep because he didn't have access to preventative care and not because he weighs 350 lbs. and is a sedentary cigarette smoker. Look no further than Medicaid, which more often than not serves as a safety net for people who want free or cheap treatment each time one of their unhealthy habits catches up with them.

 

[59 Dano]

What I often see today with MAGA's is that they want the full benefit of the nation's social welfare programs but don't want another person with a situation similar if not identical to their own to receive any benefits for fear that the money for that program will run out before they can get any.

That's not conservatism or fiscal responsibility....that's greed.

You mean the people footing the bill for these programs have the gall to want some of the benefits??? The nerve!

 

[Fred's Myth]

Socialism is defined as (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.

THIS is what @bacha29 advocates for.

 

[bacha29]

Socialism is defined as (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.

THIS is what @bacha29 advocates for.

The difference between you and me is that I don't it around all day in fear of the next great conspiracy theory including the ones that America is going to become this haven for socialism .

 

[bacha29]

Are you suggesting that because our taxes are used to fund things necessary for the common good, like clean water delivery, garbage pickup, etc that we should have government control everything?

Is federally mandated charity care and federally mandated care regardless of ability to pay something "necessary for the common good"? Those are your words. If not and a person cannot provide proof of their ability to pay prior to receiving medical care you tell me why should they NOT be turned away? Since you are worried about government "control everything" is this not government over reach in your opinion? Is it the fault of the healthcare provider that the patient willingly chose not to prepare for this event? Is it the role of government to involve itself in this matter?

You don't go to a restaurant order their best meal, eat it then tell the owner that you should be allowed to leave on the basis of the fact that you can't pay.

 

[bacha29]

The fallacy being that the Joe shows up at the ER on death's doorstep because he didn't have access to preventative care and not because he weighs 350 lbs. and is a sedentary cigarette smoker. Look no further than Medicaid, which more often than not serves as a safety net for people who want free or cheap treatment each time one of their unhealthy habits catches up with them.

Now you're trying to say that ALL perfectly healthy people buy health insurance? That otherwise healthy people never have medical emergencies? That all healthy people who have kids buy health insurance to make certain that their kids will get the care they need? (LMAO).

 

[Fred's Myth]

The difference between you and me is that I don't it around all day in fear of the next great conspiracy theory including the ones that America is going to become this haven for socialism .

Conspiracy theory? Your illiteracy is overwhelming. A conspiracy is a secret act.....you are advocating and promoting socialism in practically every post you submit. Your anal craniotomy is long overdue.

 

[vantexan]

Is federally mandated charity care and federally mandated care regardless of ability to pay something "necessary for the common good"? Those are your words. If not and a person cannot provide proof of their ability to pay prior to receiving medical care you tell me why should they NOT be turned away? Since you are worried about government "control everything" is this not government over reach in your opinion? Is it the fault of the healthcare provider that the patient willingly chose not to prepare for this event? Is it the role of government to involve itself in this matter?

You don't go to a restaurant order their best meal, eat it then tell the owner that you should be allowed to leave on the basis of the fact that you can't pay.

Again, asking do you believe because the government provides through collecting taxes such things as fire departments, water supply, sewage treatment, garbage collection, police departments, schools, etc that they should control everything? Every aspect of our lives? Has nothing to do with what you said above. Should we all be wards of the state? Get permission to travel? Be told what jobs we will do? Only one governing party and how well you do in life depends on how the party sees your value to the state?

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

According to the US Census Bureau....Vermont gets the least amount of federal funding.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Once again, another thread ended up being dominated by bacha harassing vantexan about his medical bills.

Broken record.

 

[bacha29]

Again, asking do you believe because the government provides through collecting taxes such things as fire departments, water supply, sewage treatment, garbage collection, police departments, schools, etc that they should control everything? Every aspect of our lives? Has nothing to do with what you said above. Should we all be wards of the state? Get permission to travel? Be told what jobs we will do? Only one governing party and how well you do in life depends on how the party sees your value to the state?

It has everything to do with it. When a person finds themselves in a similar position laying there on an ER gurney fighting for every breath with no insurance and little available cash they are at that point very much a ward of the state with their care and recovery completely in the control and oversight of the US Department Of Health And Human Services. and quite likely government over reach and government over spending the last thing on their minds. Much more likely the only thing on their mind was.......am I going to die?