HOFFA , HALL AND OBRIEN campaign announcement

[hyena]

Nothing to do with the thread but something to ponder

 

[anHOURover]

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that what I call a leader!!

 

[10 point]

Actually, on the second or third day the package is delivered to the UPS Store (access point) by a Teamster, so at most we lose one attempt?

In my local the clerks at the customer counter aren't Teamsters, so I don't see this as anything other than an alternate address or will call option designed to make it more convenient for the consignee.

In the end, if we don't provide customer friendly, marketable services, we lose repeat customers, volume, jobs, pension contributions, etc.

I think it's a reach to call this "subcontracting".

One more "service" benefitting who?

 

[Bubblehead]

One more "service" benefitting who?

I see it as an "option" for the savvy consumer.

In the end it will likely be similar to the seldom used My Choice options.

How many times have you had to deliver a residential stop within the customer's chosen time window?

 

[10 point]

I see it as an "option" for the savvy consumer.

In the end it will likely be similar to the seldom used My Choice options.

How many times have you had to deliver a residential stop within the customer's chosen time window?

Z E R O.

It's normally my choice... not their's.

 

[wide load]

Have you heard of Access Point?
This is another form of subcontracting, along with Surepost. Hoffa and Hall are letting them get away with it.

Ok, bro. So let's be the only delivery company around that won't offer a sure post or an access point. Let's allow fedex and the PO to use it only. Matter of fact, I think us Teamsters should go back to horse and buggies. You still doing your taxes with a feather and ink well?
Access Point doesn't affect me in feeders but I understand your concern but you need to improve the business. As long as we are attempting to delivering the packages at least once.
Listen, in any business, you don't call the shots. The customers do. If your not giving them what they need, what do you think happens?

 

[bleedinbrown58]

Timmy!

 

[BigUnionGuy]

As long as we are attempting to delivering the packages at least once.

Wasn't the whole purpose of "driver release".... to deliver the package, and make money ?

1st attempt = making money.

2nd attempt = breaking even.

3rd attempt = losing money.

In any business, you don't call the shots. The customers do. If your not giving them what they need, what do you think happens?

Everyones tracking info (ups, fedex, usps) is comparable.

The same can be said, for "Time in Transit".


With that knowledge.... savvy consumers are looking at the bottom line, to save money.

That's why.... Pkg Drivers are delivering dog food, and cat litter, from Amazon.


"Waddle in the past" (with fond memories) Or, accept the future.



-Bug-

 

[The Other Side]

Wasn't the whole purpose of "driver release".... to deliver the package, and make money ?

1st attempt = making money.

2nd attempt = breaking even.

3rd attempt = losing money.



Everyones tracking info (ups, fedex, usps) is comparable.

The same can be said, for "Time in Transit".


With that knowledge.... savvy consumers are looking at the bottom line, to save money.

That's why.... Pkg Drivers are delivering dog food, and cat litter, from Amazon.


"Waddle in the past" (with fond memories) Or, accept the future.



-Bug-

A Part of that FUTURE "BUG", includes the "indirecting" of packages from the jump. If the Teamsters allow the company to forward packages to delivery centers, like the UPS store, whats to stop them from "indirecting" a majority of packages in an area to a delivery point for customer pickup and cutting out the drivers alltogether??

The future doesnt stop with this concept. What program has UPS created that "stopped" at the original conception?

Do yourself a favor and think about your future, rather than accepting the the future of the company doesnt include you.

TOS.

 

[wide load]

Wasn't the whole purpose of "driver release".... to deliver the package, and make money ?

1st attempt = making money.

2nd attempt = breaking even.

3rd attempt = losing money.



Everyones tracking info (ups, fedex, usps) is comparable.

The same can be said, for "Time in Transit".


With that knowledge.... savvy consumers are looking at the bottom line, to save money.

That's why.... Pkg Drivers are delivering dog food, and cat litter, from Amazon.


"Waddle in the past" (with fond memories) Or, accept the future.



-Bug-

I have to disagree with you this one time.
UPS, FedEx and USPS tracking are not comparable. USPS' sucks!!!!!! They couldn't track the days of the week. Lol

 

[wide load]

A Part of that FUTURE "BUG", includes the "indirecting" of packages from the jump. If the Teamsters allow the company to forward packages to delivery centers, like the UPS store, whats to stop them from "indirecting" a majority of packages in an area to a delivery point for customer pickup and cutting out the drivers alltogether??

The future doesnt stop with this concept. What program has UPS created that "stopped" at the original conception?

Do yourself a favor and think about your future, rather than accepting the the future of the company doesnt include you.

TOS.

The Post Office can deliver Amazon to customers on Sunday's. UPS does not.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

The Post Office can deliver Amazon to customers on Sunday's. UPS does not.

Correction---UPS chooses not to.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Dave, for someone who has been around a while, how do you NOT understand what this does?

"Subcontracting" , means, getting someone else to do the job we are suppose to do. By making one attempt, then sending the pkg to the UPS store for pickup, we lose two more attempts on the package.

If we lose two more attempts on a package, that will result in CUT ROUTES and FEWER DRIVERS.

If we lose drivers and routes, that hurts US.

There are so many implications to worry about when we lose contributors to our pension plans. The fewer the people contributing DAVE, the smaller the pension fund.

By not going to the same address the next day on a send again, shortens the business day and results in CUT HOURS.

The act of sending pkgs to the UPS store is a direct act of Subcontracting resulting in the forwarding the "progress" of ground & air packages by NON UPS bargaining unit members.

Maybe you should think outside the "box" Dave instead of drinking the koolaid while you hang out with managers who convince you that ORION is a great piece of engineering.

TOS.

It is common knowledge that we make money only on our first attempt.

Do you have any idea how many redirected packages it would take to cut an entire delivery route?

I think what is more scary is your comment about the company bypassing the local center and shipping packages directly to an Access Point. Sounds far fetched, but is it?

 

[10 point]

Wasn't the whole purpose of "driver release".... to deliver the package, and make money ?

1st attempt = making money.

All (that I've seen) surepost pkgs are "shipper release" and that trumps driver release by far.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

If the Teamsters allow the company to forward packages to delivery centers, like the UPS store, whats to stop them from "indirecting" a majority of packages in an area to a delivery point for customer pickup and cutting out the drivers all together?

Um.... contractual language ?

Section 4. Technological Change

1. Technological change shall be defined as any significant change in equipment or materials which results in a significant change in the work of the bargaining unit or diminishes the number of workers in the bargaining unit.

http://teamster.org/sites/teamster.org/files/6161478090_master_final.pdf

Do yourself a favor and think about your future, rather than accepting the the future of the company that doesn't include you.

That's a very astute observation....

For all the "new" management candidates.



-Bug-

 

[10 point]

It is common knowledge that we make money only on our first attempt.

Do you have any idea how many redirected packages it would take to cut an entire delivery route?

I think what is more scary is your comment about the company bypassing the local center and shipping packages directly to an Access Point. Sounds far fetched, but is it?

Uh, most surepost pkgs are residentials so it would take about 75 pkgs (different addresses) indirected to take my route out if the proximity stops were dispatched as written.
That's not impossible.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Uh, most surepost pkgs are residentials so it would take about 75 pkgs (different addresses) undirected to take my route out if the proximity stops were dispatched as written.
That's not impossible.

Of those 75 how many are you unable to get rid of on the first attempt?

 

[10 point]

Of those 75 how many are you unable to get rid of on the first attempt?

I have to have them dispatched to my route first and then I can deliver all of them.

 

[wide load]

Correction---UPS chooses not to.

Agreed, but I doubt it will stay that way. And I'm sure people on here will complain about it.

 

[wide load]

I have to have them dispatched to my route first and then I can deliver all of them.

Access point is not in place of your delivery. You still need to make the first attempt.