I drink your milkshake! a metaphor for capitalism

[DriveInDriveOut]

oh im not waiting.

Gonna kill yourself?

 

[1989]

actually i could easily see UPS workers voting for a system like that and making that kind of money, especially when you consider the gap between productivity and wages

I don't think even ups could afford that.

 

[rickyb]

I don't think even ups could afford that.

that bakery worker in the coop earned double the median wage.

if min wage kept up with productivity, it would be over $20 per hour.

which leads me to the conclusion that possibly UPS workers would earn double.

 

[1989]

that bakery worker in the coop earned double the median wage.

if min wage kept up with productivity, it would be over $20 per hour.

which leads me to the conclusion that possibly UPS workers would earn double.

My calculations say that 300,000 X 100,000 = 30 billion. In wages alone. Where would this $30B come from?

 

[rickyb]

My calculations say that 300,000 X 100,000 = 30 billion. In wages alone. Where would this $30B come from?

how much more would the workers earn if they profited off themselves?

what do you think?

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

that bakery worker in the coop earned double the median wage.

if min wage kept up with productivity, it would be over $20 per hour.

which leads me to the conclusion that possibly UPS workers would earn double.

How much did your degree in economics from Trump University's Moscow Campus cost you?

 

[1989]

that bakery worker in the coop earned double the median wage.

if min wage kept up with productivity, it would be over $20 per hour.

which leads me to the conclusion that possibly UPS workers would earn double.

not true. You are mixing median wage and minimum wage.

 

[1989]

how much more would the workers earn if they profited off themselves?

what do you think?

You have to run the numbers from the profits on down. Or gross income on down to include expenses. Most businesses would not exist if you paid everybody $64 an hour in wages alone. ($100k for 30 hours a week).

 

[rickyb]

You have to run the numbers from the profits on down. Or gross income on down to include expenses. Most businesses would not exist if you paid everybody $64 an hour in wages alone. ($100k for 30 hours a week).

talking about UPS specifically. how much would workers make if they were profiting off themselves? UPS is currently profiting off their workers im assuming

 

[BrownArmy]

talking about UPS specifically. how much would workers make if they were profiting off themselves? UPS is currently profiting off their workers im assuming

I worked in, managed, and was on the BOD of a food co-op.

There is literally no way UPS would work as a co-op.

 

[rickyb]

I worked in, managed, and was on the BOD of a food co-op.

There is literally no way UPS would work as a co-op.

i just like the first part of what you said

why not? mondragon the 7th biggest business in spain is a cooperative, not perfect

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

i just like the first part of what you said

why not? mondragon the 7th biggest business in spain is a cooperative, not perfect

Mondragon is not one business, it's over 200 different businesses.

 

[1989]

Mondragon is not one business, it's over 200 different businesses.

A conglomerate.

 

[1989]

talking about UPS specifically. how much would workers make if they were profiting off themselves? UPS is currently profiting off their workers im assuming

I hope it doesn't change much at ups or the higher earners would earn less.

 

[rickyb]

A conglomerate.

Mondragon is not one business, it's over 200 different businesses.

VIDEO: Understanding the Mondragon Worker Cooperative Corporation in Spain's Basque Country

 

[1989]

i just like the first part of what you said

why not? mondragon the 7th biggest business in spain is a cooperative, not perfect

I hope they don't do any business with a capitalist.

 

[1989]

You can't answer the question.

He cannot lay out a simple plan. And have his numbers justify sustainability.

 

[rickyb]

I hope they don't do any business with a capitalist.

they do and they have also worked on the free market which has led to some less than ideal results.

 

[rickyb]

ill be posting quotes from this video which i found interesting, for those of you who cant watch videos bur are literate.

 

[rickyb]

And he wanted to—first of all, before to create the cooperative, he went to the biggest company in Mondragon to—with the directors, telling to give the possibility to all the workers to be part in management, in profits and being ownership. That was 1955. They didn’t assent him, and for that reason he pushed to some workers to set up their own cooperatives where everybody can participate in management, in profits and being ownership.

...The idea was—and it is—that the workers, everybody, has to be the director or has to be the entrepreneur or has to be the person who makes the decision and not to work for anyone. So we have to part—we have to have parts in management, in profit and being ownership. That is the most essential idea. Before, there were a lot of ideas of the Catholic Church innovate to humanize the factories, to humanize the industrialization at that times. But Father Arizmendiarrieta was—went more than only humanizing. So he wanted to give the power to decide the future each one, not depending from another manager or another capitalist."