Immigration

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The Obama administration's goal is to speed up deportations by making the existing process go faster
Because the process for dealing with child migrants is set down by law, it's not possible for the administration to implement a faster deportation process without changing the law. That's why the administration is considering asking Congress to change it themselves. (Some Republicans have suggested that the administration simply ignore existing law so that it can quickly deport all child migrants via "expedited removal" instead of putting them in front of an immigration judge, but the administration is clearly interested in changing the law rather than breaking it.)

A young boy in the Nogales processing center. Ross D. Franklin/Getty

But the administration's broader plan is to deport children and families who are already here more quickly by staffing up the immigration court system. It's announced surges of immigration judges and court staff to deal with children, and with Central American adults who were apprehended alone. Once it's opened family detention centers, it will send another court surge to process cases in those detention centers.

It's also changing the way that immigration court hearings are scheduled: now, judges are instructed to hear the cases of children and families who've recently come into the US before they hear the cases of other immigrants. (That will make the wait even longer for those immigrants whose cases get bumped.)

It typically takes months or years to get a hearing in immigration court. The administration's goal is to get through a case in a matter of days. One Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) official told the press that the goal of the detention center opening in New Mexico is to deport a family within ten or fifteen days.

But immigration court hearings are also supposed to give immigrants the chance to establish that they're eligible for legal status. With the emphasis on deporting families and children quickly, it's not clear that they'll get the time, resources, or information they need to present a succes

 

[Bringdough]

The Obama administration's goal is to speed up deportations by making the existing process go faster
Because the process for dealing with child migrants is set down by law, it's not possible for the administration to implement a faster deportation process without changing the law. That's why the administration is considering asking Congress to change it themselves. (Some Republicans have suggested that the administration simply ignore existing law so that it can quickly deport all child migrants via "expedited removal" instead of putting them in front of an immigration judge, but the administration is clearly interested in changing the law rather than breaking it.)

A young boy in the Nogales processing center. Ross D. Franklin/Getty

But the administration's broader plan is to deport children and families who are already here more quickly by staffing up the immigration court system. It's announced surges of immigration judges and court staff to deal with children, and with Central American adults who were apprehended alone. Once it's opened family detention centers, it will send another court surge to process cases in those detention centers.

It's also changing the way that immigration court hearings are scheduled: now, judges are instructed to hear the cases of children and families who've recently come into the US before they hear the cases of other immigrants. (That will make the wait even longer for those immigrants whose cases get bumped.)

It typically takes months or years to get a hearing in immigration court. The administration's goal is to get through a case in a matter of days. One Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) official told the press that the goal of the detention center opening in New Mexico is to deport a family within ten or fifteen days.

But immigration court hearings are also supposed to give immigrants the chance to establish that they're eligible for legal status. With the emphasis on deporting families and children quickly, it's not clear that they'll get the time, resources, or information they need to present a succes

Isn't possible that Obama really just wants to give lib attorneys some work? Kind of like the stimulus was to build roads and bridges but instead give it to his union buddies.
Because to me it would been much easier to put the national guard on the boarder and turn those people around. Instead Obama has shipped them all over the country. By the way letting fly on planes without any ID at all. You try to do that see what happens.


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Isn't possible that Obama really just wants to give lib attorneys some work? Kind of like the stimulus was to build roads and bridges but instead give it to his union buddies.
Because to me it would been much easier to put the national guard on the boarder and turn those people around. Instead Obama has shipped them all over the country. By the way letting fly on planes without any ID at all. You try to do that see what happens.


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Geesh, does the nonsense ever stop?

TOS.

 

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Liberal lawyers ensuring illegal aliens are never deported

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/11/phillips-liberal-lawyers-ensuring-illegal-aliens-a/

 

[Bringdough]

Geesh, does the nonsense ever stop?

TOS.

I don't know. Let me ask a question. Who deported more people, O or bush. Hint: its bush. Obama will claim the people stopped at the boarder and turned around without a deportation hearing were deported. That's the first time those cases have been counted as deportations.if you answer Obama then the non sense will indeed continue.


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I don't know. Let me ask a question. Who deported more people, O or bush. Hint: its bush. Obama will claim the people stopped at the boarder and turned around without a deportation hearing were deported. That's the first time those cases have been counted as deportations.if you answer Obama then the non sense will indeed continue.


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Do you ever stop with the crap? Here's a question, prove it, then Ill prove otherwise. Go for it.

TOS.

 

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Do you ever stop with the crap? Here's a question, prove it, then Ill prove otherwise. Go for it.

TOS.

Center for immigration studies numbers are as follows. Obama avg return of illegals 800,000. Bush 1.3 million. Clinton 1.5 million.


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Center for immigration studies numbers are as follows. Obama avg return of illegals 800,000. Bush 1.3 million. Clinton 1.5 million.

It's the economy, stupid.

 

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Isn't possible that Obama really just wants to give lib attorneys some work? Kind of like the stimulus was to build roads and bridges but instead give it to his union buddies.
Because to me it would been much easier to put the national guard on the boarder and turn those people around. Instead Obama has shipped them all over the country. By the way letting fly on planes without any ID at all. You try to do that see what happens.


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You didn't prove anything. You just lowered the discourse to insulting the person not refuting what they said. Be an adult.


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You didn't prove anything. You just lowered the discourse to insulting the person not refuting what they said. Be an adult.


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i'm just taking the piss, its called HUMOR

 

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Center for immigration studies numbers are as follows. Obama avg return of illegals 800,000. Bush 1.3 million. Clinton 1.5 million.


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TRY SOME FACTS for a change bro, happy reading.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/...er-obama-vs-bush-who-deported-more-immigrants

TOS.

 

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TRY SOME FACTS for a change bro, happy reading.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/...er-obama-vs-bush-who-deported-more-immigrants

TOS.

TOS, you of all people should know the Right Wing HATES those pesky things called "facts"!!

 

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TOS, you of all people should know the Right Wing HATES those pesky things called "facts"!!

Funny coming from you. You will ignore any and every fact presented to you if it doesn't fit your particular view of how you want the world to be.
You are a fanatic that way.

 

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TOS, you of all people should know the Right Wing HATES those pesky things called "facts"!!

I had no idea that the new republic has a monopoly on all the facts. So if I don't read the new republic I don't know the facts? It would bother me if I blindly believed everything I read that publication or any other for that matter.


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The number of illegal immigrants trying to enter this country is not a constant, there are a lot of variables to take into account. There was a significant decrease in immigration due to the economy during Obama's first term.

The number of deportations during any particular presidency is an arbitrary statistic by itself, and is really just a diversionary tactic to distract from discussing our twisted immigration policy.

 

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"There was a significant decrease in immigration due to the economy during Obama's first term."......(dido)


But you guys all talked about the Summers of Recovery and how wonderful the economy was doing under Obama. You can't have it both ways.

 

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Using children as pawns for immigration reform is backfiring.

Via The Tennessean

As is his wont, President Obama is treating the border crisis — more than 50,000 unaccompanied children crossing illegally — as a public relations problem. Where to photo op and where not. He still hasn’t enunciated a policy. He may not even have one.

Will these immigrants be allowed to stay? Seven times was Obama’s homeland security secretary asked this on “Meet the Press.” Seven times he danced around the question.

Presidential press secretary Josh Earnest was more forthcoming: “It’s unlikely that most of those kids will qualify for humanitarian relief. … They will be sent back.” This was characterized in the media as a harder line. Not at all. Yes, those kids who go through the process probably will have no grounds to stay. But most will never go through the process.

These kids are being flown or bused to family members around the country and told to then show up for deportation hearings. Why show up? Why not just stay where they’ll get superior schooling, superior health care, superior everything? As a result, only 3 percent are being repatriated, to cite an internal Border Patrol memo.

Repatriate them? How stone-hearted, you say. After what they’ve been through? To those dismal conditions back home?

By that standard, with a sea of endemic suffering on every continent, we should have no immigration laws. Deny entry to no needy person.

But we do. We must. We choose. And immediate deportation is exactly what happens to illegal immigrants, children or otherwise, from Mexico and Canada. By what moral logic should there be a Central American exception?

There is no logic. Just a quirk of the law — a 2008 law intended to deter sex trafficking. It mandates that Central American kids receive temporary relocation, extensive assistance and elaborate immigration/deportation proceedings, which many simply evade.

 

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"There was a significant decrease in immigration due to the economy during Obama's first term."......(dido)


But you guys all talked about the Summers of Recovery and how wonderful the economy was doing under Obama. You can't have it both ways.

This is his second term.

 

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This is his second term.

So this is like the 6th Summer of Recovery ??