No, it's literally Iran and its satellites vs the U.S. aligned Arab Gulf States and Israel. Saudi Arabia and Iran are mortal enemies. The last thing they're worried about is Iran being attacked by the U.S.
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DriveInDriveOut
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Guys listen, we need to get this speaker elected so we can give more money to Ukraine. Nothing matters as much as Ukraine.
PT Car Washer
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While Iran attacked our troops and trump did nothing. Bone spurs acting up again?
Nonsense. Money will get to Ukraine no matter what. There are channels that don’t require House approval.
Such as?
You aren't aware Trump told Iran he'd blow up their oil wells and ports?
Another way is to sell arms to Poland and have Poland gift older arms to Ukraine.
Ukraine is fighting a hot war. There's no way you can sell large enough shipments to Poland to meet Ukraine's needs. Reagan may have supplied Nicaraguan guerillas in Honduras that way but the Ukraine war is much bigger. And if Poland, whose defense budget is a fraction of ours, suddenly is spending exponentially more money on our arms everyone will see through it and some could get in big trouble over it.
newolddude
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It’s either fight a proxy war by supplying arms to the Ukraine or fight an actual war spilling American blood when Putin decides he wants Poland back in a couple of years.
PT Car Washer
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If The Ukraine can defeat Putin military it will mean his downfall and Russia will no longer be a threat to Europe. There will be a huge peace dividend for the US and NATO countries.
It's Ukraine, not The Ukraine.
Hmmm, let's see, a country of 140 million with few allies and limited industry is going up against a military alliance of almost a billion people and extensive industry. Yeah, that'll happen.
Their population and capabilities would of course grow quite a bit if they took over Ukraine. But I'd bet on Moldova, Georgia, Belarus and maybe Kazakhstan being next. Armenia might go voluntarily.
newolddude
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Plus maybe the Ukraine holding its own gives China something to think about if they decide they want Taiwan back.
It's been Putin's M.O. to go into neighboring countries with a Russian minority. He's already carved off areas of Georgia where Russians are in the majority. I doubt he'll take over Belarus because they already lick his boots. Moldova only if he wins in Ukraine. I'm betting a major target will be northern Kazakhstan. It's where ethnic Russians predominate and it's Kazahkstan's most productive farmland. The Armenians love having their own country but do allow a Russian base there. Keeps them safe from Azerbaijan and Turkey. But the common denominator is they're all former Soviet Republics and while most Russians left after the breakup he seems keen on protecting the remaining pockets in these countries. But Poland is a whole other animal and, if you hear major politicians saying he'll be in Poland or other NATO countries next, what it's likely they're doing is fear mongering to keep the money flowing to defense contractors.
That’s kind of silly. If Poland were to donate Ukraine 100 friend-16s to Ukraine, you don’t think that would have an impact on the battle? What if Saudi Arabia did the same? Greece? Turkey? The fact is that the US is a major weapons supplier around the globe and countries are in the market. There’s nothing illegal about it. Nobody’s trying to hide it. Reagan got in trouble because Congress specifically passed a law to forbid exactly what he did. No such law exists and a dysfunctional congress won’t pass one now.
Military industrial complex vs the MAGA republicans. Who ya got?
@UnionStrong you seem not to believe this could happen?
https://ukrainetoday.org/2023/04/01...fighter-jets-to-poland-for-a-symbolic-dollar/
What if it already has?
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