Local 804 Drivers Walked Out

TheFigurehead

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Its called the preload sucks and the loaders are horrible

I'm not sure why drivers are always so quick to place the blame on their union brothers. Everyone else who works for UPS as an hourly employee is in the same terrible situation as you are. Overworked, understaffed, and saddled with a thankless, impossible task. We're all given more work than can be finished in the allotted time, and have supervisors that care about nothing beyond what the numbers on their sheet say.

Operational failures (which is what this is) are management's fault. Why not place the blame where it belongs?
 
I agree.
I did do some reading into the supplement requirements for a work stoppage. Liam knew what he was talking about, but jumped the gun. He stripped all the stewards of their power, so they wouldn't get fired for "authorizing a strike" Which it clearly states in the NMA. In our local supplement, it does say that there shall be no strike without first using all possible means for a settlement. The company did violate the "grievance procedure", which is ground for a strike, but we would have needed approve from the sellouts in Washington (IBT). I wonder what a arbitrator would think
They sure got the whole country talking...thats for sure. Enough Is enough....the harassment needs to stop.....right friggin now!
 

cosmo1

Perhaps.
Staff member
I agree.
I did some reading into the supplement requirements for a work stoppage. Liam knew what he was talking about, but jumped the gun. He stripped all the stewards of their power, so they wouldn't get fired for "authorizing a strike" Which it clearly states in the NMA. In our local supplement, it does say that there shall be no strike without first using all possible means for a settlement. The company did violate the "grievance procedure", which is ground for a strike, but we would have needed approve from the sellouts in Washington (IBT). I wonder what a arbitrator would think

I just have a bad feeling this won't turn out well.

Didn't something similar happen a long time ago in Philadelphia?
 

bleedinbrown58

That’s Craptacular
I agree.
I did some reading into the supplement requirements for a work stoppage. Liam knew what he was talking about, but jumped the gun. He stripped all the stewards of their power, so they wouldn't get fired for "authorizing a strike" Which it clearly states in the NMA. In our local supplement, it does say that there shall be no strike without first using all possible means for a settlement. The company did violate the "grievance procedure", which is ground for a strike, but we would have needed approve from the sellouts in Washington (IBT). I wonder what a arbitrator would think
He stripped the stewards because of what happened in the Melville building. Was a stoppage and 2 stewards got fired...and eventually got their jobs back. You in the Maspeth building, right? I heard Omar was involved in the initial driver's firing. He ran one of the centers in my building when i first started at ups....
 
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jumpman23

Oh Yeah
I'm not sure why drivers are always so quick to place the blame on their union brothers. Everyone else who works for UPS as an hourly employee is in the same terrible situation as you are. Overworked, understaffed, and saddled with a thankless, impossible task. We're all given more work than can be finished in the allotted time, and have supervisors that care about nothing beyond what the numbers on their sheet say.

Operational failures (which is what this is) are management's fault. Why not place the blame where it belongs?
Totally agree and preload is not trained right. But some of the smarter more intelligent preloaders will take things into their own hands and use commonsense to make things work better because management is too lazy to train the robots, case in point BB58. Enough said that's what smart,motivated, unlazy, taking pride in their workers do like 58. WORD LOL
 

bleedinbrown58

That’s Craptacular
Totally agree and preload is not trained right. But some of the smarter more intelligent preloaders will take things into their own hands and use commonsense to make things work better because management is too lazy to train the robots, case in point BB58. Enough said that's what smart,motivated, unlazy, taking pride in their workers do like 58. WORD LOL
Thanks Jump ;). You guys keep tooting my horn for me...I might have to start my own thread...the BB58 fan club...lol.
 

TheFigurehead

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But some of the smarter more intelligent preloaders will take things into their own hands and use commonsense to make things work better because management is too lazy to train the robots

I don't disagree... but "work as directed" applies to everyone. Their supervisors are just as petty, arrogant, and lacking in logic as are yours. At UPS, we all work as directed unless we want a target on our back. Preload Sup tells them to load it that way, they do it. Thinking or deviating from "the plan" is only going to be more trouble than it's worth... sure, it makes the driver's job more difficult, but the supervisor has more power to make the preload guy's life hell than you do.
 

NoRespect

Active Member
He stripped the stewards because of what happened in the Melville building. Was a stoppage and 2 stewards got fired...and eventually got their jobs back. You in the Maspeth building, right? I heard Omar was involved in the initial driver's firing. He ran one of the centers in my building when i first started at ups....
Omar has his right hand man Lotto ready to terminate and destroy more drivers lives like how he did in the bronx building
 

not what i voted for

Well-Known Member
I agree.
I did some reading into the supplement requirements for a work stoppage. Liam knew what he was talking about, but jumped the gun. He stripped all the stewards of their power, so they wouldn't get fired for "authorizing a strike" Which it clearly states in the NMA. In our local supplement, it does say that there shall be no strike without first using all possible means for a settlement. The company did violate the "grievance procedure", which is ground for a strike, but we would have needed approve from the sellouts in Washington (IBT). I wonder what a arbitrator would think

The real deal is that UPS fired Liam when he was a drIver and he thought he was right. Well an arbitrator didn't agree with Liam's interpretation of the contract why would he put drivers in the position where they could loose their jobs? You answered your own question grievance procedure , all possible means and authorization what do you really think an arbitrator will think after you read the contract.
 

jumpman23

Oh Yeah
I don't disagree... but "work as directed" applies to everyone. Their supervisors are just as petty, arrogant, and lacking in logic as are yours. At UPS, we all work as directed unless we want a target on our back. Preload Sup tells them to load it that way, they do it. Thinking or deviating from "the plan" is only going to be more trouble than it's worth... sure, it makes the driver's job more difficult, but the supervisor has more power to make the preload guy's life hell than you do.
Supes aren't going to say anything to that smart loader who makes the drivers job easier, because their probably not going to have misleads, airs aren't going to be hidden in load, and that driver is going to be maybe an hour or hour and a half over instead of 3 hours over because of an idiotic poopy load. True leaders always take matters into their own hands. I for one aint waiting around for an idiotic supe decision, im taking matters into my own hands. ONCE AGAIN THATS WHAT TRUE LEADERS DO SOLDIER lol.
 

Stratocaster

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The real deal is that UPS fired Liam when he was a drIver and he thought he was right. Well an arbitrator didn't agree with Liam's interpretation of the contract why would he put drivers in the position where they could loose their jobs? You answered your own question grievance procedure , all possible means and authorization what do you really think an arbitrator will think after you read the contract.

Liam getting fired for not maintaining SPORH was something that was never heard of. You'll never hear someone getting fired for production again. Liam at that time was arrogant, and I guess it rubbed the arbitrator the wrong way.

I can just imagine the look on the company's face when he walked back into the maspeth building as a BA...lol. A lot of grievances are being paid these days. He has a score to settle with the company.
 

bleedinbrown58

That’s Craptacular
Liam getting fired for not maintaining SPORH was something that was never heard of. You'll never hear someone getting fired for production again. Liam at that time was arrogant, and I guess it rubbed the arbitrator the wrong way.

I can just imagine the look on the company's face when he walked back into the maspeth building as a BA...lol. A lot of grievances are being paid these days. He has a score to settle with the company.
Do you still maintain that the fired driver was fired after 26 years solely for sorting his truck off the clock? Incidently, why did you post that...did you honestly believe it to be true?
 

bleedinbrown58

That’s Craptacular
[quote"JackStraw, post: 1284235, member: 44919"]I would call that cheating. Obviously they're not able to do the job. Where is the union on this? If one of them ever got hurt I wonder what UPS's position would be.
Their Is zero excuse, for working off the clock! Why anybody does it? I will never understand!:dont_know:[/quote]
I see loaders working before their start time everyday.....one day someone's gonna get hurt off the clock....it's just a matter of time.
 

Stratocaster

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Do you still maintain that the fired driver was fired after 26 years solely for sorting his truck off the clock? Incidently, why did you post that...did you honestly believe it to be true?

You and I know, part of that is true, but there more underlining factor. Like you said, we won't discuss people personal business here. lol
 
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