Local 804 Drivers Walked Out

[Brown Spider]

Isn't that what the grievance process is for?


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The grievance process was EXACTLY what UPS was violating when the Maspeth drivers had just about enough of this company ignoring the contract. They cranked it up a notch and sent a pretty strong message that they were no longer going to tolerate the arrogance of UPS without a fight. It appears that the issue will be headed to arbitration where the language in Article 18, Section 4 a) of the Local 804 Supplement will probably be Union Exhibit #1. Union Exhibit #2 just might be the decision of another Arbitrator who referenced that language as authorization for a job action.

Silence never won rights. They are not handed down from above; they are forced by pressure from below. - Roger Baldwin and Stink 219

 

[teamster 804]

Someone explain to me why Liam still has a job.When drivers are home today wondering what there future holds financially.Last time I checked it was his incompetent inexcusable action that got them fired.

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[bigd]

The grievance process was EXACTLY what UPS was violating when the Maspeth drivers had just about enough of this company ignoring the contract. They cranked it up a notch and sent a pretty strong message that they were no longer going to tolerate the arrogance of UPS without a fight. It appears that the issue will be headed to arbitration where the language in Article 18, Section 4 a) of the Local 804 Supplement will probably be Union Exhibit #1. Union Exhibit #2 just might be the decision of another Arbitrator who referenced that language as authorization for a job action.

Silence never won rights. They are not handed down from above; they are forced by pressure from below. - Roger Baldwin and Stink 219

I find it a little bit hilarious and disingenuous for you to be asking for an arbitrator now! Don't you think it would have been a lot easier to put that single member to the same process you advocating right now?

Resign local804 Eboard!

 

[stink219]

The grievance process was EXACTLY what UPS was violating when the Maspeth drivers had just about enough of this company ignoring the contract. They cranked it up a notch and sent a pretty strong message that they were no longer going to tolerate the arrogance of UPS without a fight. It appears that the issue will be headed to arbitration where the language in Article 18, Section 4 a) of the Local 804 Supplement will probably be Union Exhibit #1. Union Exhibit #2 just might be the decision of another Arbitrator who referenced that language as authorization for a job action.

Silence never won rights. They are not handed down from above; they are forced by pressure from below. - Roger Baldwin and Stink 219

So what about arbitration? Ohhhh wait, only the fired drivers are going to arbitration....now. Seems like the e board is full of talk. They can coheres 250 drivers to walk, but can't take grievances to arbitration?


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[NoRespect]

http://teamsterslocal804.org/story/ups-fires-drivers-draws-more-heat

 

[not what i voted for]

bigbird,
Wow, what a persuasive guy you are. I just don't know what to say. Hell...okay...you win...I suck, my bs isn't working and I'll talk to the Executive Board about reigning. Will that be all? Oh, by the way. I chatted with your pal, not what I voted for, a little while ago. Ya' know, I've always thought that he was dumber than you. Jeez, I was wrong about that too!

You are slipping Spider. You never answered the question Why Sylvester and Reynolds told the drivers to go back to work maybe you should chat with them.

 

[realbrown1]

Someone explain to me why Liam still has a job.When drivers are home today wondering what there future holds financially.Last time I checked it was his incompetent inexcusable action that got them fired.

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I find it a little bit hilarious and disingenuous for you to be asking for an arbitrator now! Don't you think it would have been a lot easier to put that single member to the same process you advocating right now? You are a phony!

Resign local804 Eboard!

So what about arbitration? Ohhhh wait, only the fired drivers are going to arbitration....now. Seems like the e board is full of talk. They can coheres 250 drivers to walk, but can't take grievances to arbitration?


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With teamsters like this supporting the 250 drivers, they are in trouble.

 

[Brown Spider]

Through all of this not once have you put the human factor into play. You recite contract language as if a life wasn't attached to it. Now members are fired. No telling how many more to come. But your safe! Your salary and benefits go unaffected bye this! You would not have played such a dangerous game with your own families way life! Cut your BS! These gentlemen have at best! lost there salaries and benefits with no back pay? we will hope that an arbitrator will have precedence over this matter! Remember! The action all started from theft of time and only the affected driver, steward and BA should have been involved! These gentlemen were used!

There is nothing about this that I consider a game, bigdope. In fact, it is you, member 6045, not what I voted for and a handful of others who have been running their own political game since the day of the Maspeth walkout. I have told you in the past that there are times when union members fold up their political tents and put all politics aside for the greater good of the membership. You are totally incapable of understanding that concept. You've done nothing up to this point but call on the Executive Board to resign and make absurd observations and bogus predictions. Do you even have a clue that it is this Executive Board, and only this Executive Board, that can resolve this issue? Do you think you could resolve it? You're already stated that the 250 Maspeth drivers "have at best! lost there(sic) salaries and benefits with no back pay?" What do you even base that observation on? Yes, there are lives attached to the contract language that will be argued before an arbitrator. That's what make the contract language as important to me as it is to those 250 Maspeth drivers. You can ignore the facts of the contract language as it applies to the Maspeth drivers all you want, but it is all that can return them to work and make them whole. You certainly can't do it with your inane ready-fire-aim mentality. It would probably be best if you rounded up the rest of the kids and went back to that political sandbox of yours!

 

[Brown Spider]

You are slipping Spider. You never answered the question Why Sylvester and Reynolds told the drivers to go back to work maybe you should chat with them.

I don't know why Tim and Jim told them to go back to work. I don't know a lot of things that Tim and Jim do. But I've got a better idea! Why don't YOU ask them?

 

[Brown Spider]

So what about arbitration? Ohhhh wait, only the fired drivers are going to arbitration....now. Seems like the e board is full of talk. They can coheres 250 drivers to walk, but can't take grievances to arbitration?


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"Seems like the e board is full of talk."? And how exactly does one reach that conclusion from Rhode Island?

 

[Ron Carey lives on]

407 and stink go from forum to forum trying to discourage members from standing up. Its obvious they are management or they have their noses so far up hoffa/halls they can smell their breath

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[Brown Spider]

407 and stink go from forum to forum trying to discourage members from standing up. Its obvious they are management or they have their noses so far up hoffa/halls they can smell their breath

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In stinks case, it would be choice #2...the nose and hoffa/hall. He's been in sort of a snit since his buddy jo-jo got run out of office a couple of months ago.

 

[Brown Spider]

I find it a little bit hilarious and disingenuous for you to be asking for an arbitrator now! Don't you think it would have been a lot easier to put that single member to the same process you advocating right now? You are a phony!

Resign local804 Eboard!

I am not "asking" for an arbitrator! I'm speculating that this issue will eventually be resolved before an arbitrator! It would be Local 804, not me, that would move a case to arbitration.

 

[Brown Spider]

So what about arbitration? Ohhhh wait, only the fired drivers are going to arbitration....now. Seems like the e board is full of talk. They can coheres 250 drivers to walk, but can't take grievances to arbitration?


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"Seems like the e board is full of talk." And just how does one reach that conclusion from Rhode Island? "Coheres"? I don't even understand what that is.

 

[JackStraw]

I just hope that these drivers all get their jobs back. Sadly, when watching the video you can sense the air being let out of the balloon when Liam says they might get fired. "Wait a minute, what did he just say? WTF does that mean?" If my BA came in and said we were walking, I'd walk and I'm sure 99% of my building would follow.

 

[member6045]

Tim wants to talk to company? Thought he did that in FL. Ups wants the one thing you said you would NEVER give up!!!!!

Your right to strike!!!




Will reformers be a group to give up our right to strike in 804.

 

[stink219]

With teamsters like this supporting the 250 drivers, they are in trouble.

Are you saying we are not supportive of the drivers you scab? No, your focus is protecting your TDU boneheads that are costing the lives of these drivers. Oh I forgot, your not TDU. News flash, if TDU Liam filed for arbitration instead of forcing a walkout, 250 drivers would still have jobs. But, god forbid a TDU steward gets terminated for stealing time. Noooo, we need to self promote for our TDU agenda......and it failed. What I can't understand Realbrown is why you blindly defend the actions of this TDU BA that jeopardized these teamsters?
Q: What do you get when you follow a TDU agenda?
A: Bankruptcy!!
Good job to your acolytes of destruction. Bang up job.


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[browned out]

None of the Maspeth drivers will lose their jobs over this. The company did not follow the contract. UPS also has to abide by the contract; it just took an action like this to wake them up. Countless violations by UPS were commonplace before this action. Maspeth drivers need to either publicly address the blatant disregard of the contract by UPS and/or address it to the arbitrator or in litigation. Keep all of your paperwork (previous warning letters, suspensions, discharges, grievances,etc. Maspeth drivers should also all obtain copies of their employee files.

 

[stink219]

"Seems like the e board is full of talk." And just how does one reach that conclusion from Rhode Island? "Coheres"? I don't even understand what that is.

I'm not surprised.


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[upschuck]

407 and stink go from forum to forum trying to discourage members from standing up. Its obvious they are management or they have their noses so far up hoffa/halls they can smell their breath

I would love to have 407 and stink on my side. They know the contract, and won't cross the line with my livelihood.