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Low IQ's and Conservative Values Linked
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curiousbrain
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Even you.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
That was bit tongue-in-cheek. I know his history well and his influence of the form of government that eventually was put in via the US Constitution.
I understand he wrote much of the Federalist papers on the side that supported a Centralized National government and that he misleadingly named his side the Federalists (he did not believe in a Federal form of government). He wanted the United States to be a monarchy and he himself desired to be the king of the United States. (A bit of the political rhetoric from those times).
Hamilton was the self-proclaimed head of the "true Anti-Federalist" forces in America during the formative years of the US Constitution and he was a chief opponent of the Articles of Confederation which did not support a strong national Government and did not support a National Bank which eventually led to the Fed we have today.
The Bill of Rights were put in place to protect the rest of the country from Alexander Hamilton and his followers who wanted to set up a British type of government in America ... keeping in mind that Britain was a Monarchy at that time.
I do agree if it had not been Hamilton, someone else would have stepped in and taken the flag for the Federalist party ... however, he was the figurehead and therefore gets all the blame.
I have read a couple of books about Hamilton and at least one each of Washington, Adams, Jefferson and Madison are are universally agreed to be the main Founding Fathers. Many don't consider Hamilton to be a Founding father because his ideas are so different from the other Founding Fathers.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
Instrumental in the Battle of Yorktown although Washington did not care for him. Yes he was.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
Sure I do!
Not to be technical about this but go back and read what I posted in post #49
I said "Essentially, the founding fathers were Libertarians." ... What I meant was that Hamilton was one of the Non-Essential Founding Fathers.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
Definitely the last 200 years and since I'm feeling generous ... today too!
tourists24
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Not fear mongering at all.... Im just saying that it is sold as being "free". Its not free at all....
texan
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Some of the C9ers (I do not know if I ever qualified to fit the C9 Group, but I have conservative values)
have been berated for referencing Fox News, or accused of obtaining items from Fox News.
Most likely this post, and a few others are from Reader Supported News
So for future reference, one can check RSN.
FOCUS: Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice
MrFedEx
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There is no doubt that certain souces are biased, but Fox News is anything but "fair and balanced". They have repeatedly run misleading or outright false stories, and their overall credibility as a journalistic organization is very low. Simply put, Fox News is mostly entertainment. If O'Reilly or Hannity don't have facts to support their opinions, they make them up or take a snippet of a story and warp it completely out of context. There is little integrity or honesty with Fox. They are all about the money, and exploiting their audience for maximum profit. Just like Rush and Beck, they put on a show...it isn't news or journalism because the bias is so heavily to the Right.
Sure, MSNBC and their cast of characters are biased in the other direction. But at least they have the journalistic integrity to report facts instead of fiction.
Hamilton was a big supporter of america's "new aristocracy": "All communities divide themselves into the few and the many. the first are the rich and well born, the other the mass of the people. The voice of the people has been said to be the voice of god; and however generally this maxim has been quoted and believed it is not true in fact. the people are turbulent and changing; they seldom judge or determine right. Give therefore to the first class a distincet permanent share in the government...Nothing but a permanent body can check the imprudence of democracy."
This guy wanted a president and senate chosen for life!! He like most of his time were afraid of the people. While in the name of establishing a decent and orderly society, their true goal was to replace the british aristocracy with an american aristocracy to maintain their privileges. Hamilton and others were not in favor of democracy!!
Sounds like the only difference between Hamilton and today's "ruling class" is that Hamilton was honest about his ambitions and disdain for the common folk.
texan
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Sir I will not defend either source. I just think we all need to pull together as this country has in the past and solve this
15 trillion dollar debt quickly. I am so concerned for our future, and the future of my grandchildren.
I watch both sides. I really do to get balance and each sides thoughts. I am not a lock step / blinded conservative.
But I am Conservative. I do not want to mention this, but since it is the thread subject.
I had a very high GT score in the Army, and was promoted ahead of my peers in my field for my performance
in the Army.
I retired after 20 plus years and was hired at UPS. I took the MENSA test when I was 23 and had them ask
please join us after the results were sent in years ago.
I never did, as I just did not see the point as I grew older.
I am not the best at typing, grammar or spelling, but at my job in UPS, I obtain the highest scores compared to my peers.
I am in another area of UPS that this occurs. Scores and ratings.
Yet I am Convervative, and feel so ashamed to share this in a thread, like I want self glory.
I give Glory to My God for any talents I have. I have faults, trust me.
My father was a MENSA member and was measured at 145 ish IQ. He was an mechanical engineer.
A thought for you and this post.
Bless You Sir.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
Kudos - very good article that I can find little to argue about.
I think David Frum set the tone well with his first sentence:
This seems to me a question approximately as meaningful as asking whether the Founders would have preferred Macs or PCs: it exports back into the past an entirely alien mental category.
I think perhaps the Founding fathers would see many of their strong beliefs not present in in any of the current American political parties and would not like any of them.
I still continue to believe that they would see more of their ideas and beliefs reflected in the general beliefs of the Libertarian party than they would in the Republican or the Democratic parties.
I also think the main thing our Founding Fathers would feel if they were plunked down into America today would be "out of place" which is consistent with David's point in this article.
